Bailout / Stimulus Discussion (Hints Missed & Shartz Fired)

This is such a smart move I’m shocked the GOP hasn’t done it before.

Actually, if you look at Section 88 of US Code in line 14 you’ll see LOL FUCK YOU.

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He’s going to take it from FEMA. Someone will probably sue but it’ll work unless/until someone rules against him. Since the courts can’t do it in 3 months, lol fuck you absofuckinglutely applies.

I mean, he just gave all of his bargaining positions away. Like others have said, good luck getting that money out. And if money is not in people’s pockets before September 1, it’s gonna get really ugly. We’re past the Monopoly phase of the game.

I still expect a finished negotiation before the end of the week. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but the easiest way around this is to pass something.

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Nunn I love you buddy but LOL.

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This part right here is such an absurd clusterfuck. So I’m going to get more money in my paycheck that I have to set aside to pay back in 6 months. God damn the stupidity is the point.

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It’s more hostage taking, assuming he does this the GOP will run on forgiving the tax, of course.

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Like this is simultaneously one of the dumbest tax policies in the history of mankind and a brilliant way to sabotage your opponent’s future presidency.

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No, what’s going to happen is Trump is going to give you the money. If he wins, lol fuck you, who cares, he won, it worked. If he loses, the big bad liberal tax and spend Democrats are coming after YOUR PAYCHECK!!!

So you expect the sycophants to stop sycophanting? Why?

How do you think it will go when Trump says ‘the money will be to you in 2 weeks’ and everyone knows nothing is coming? Who do you think gets the blame for that? What does it do to election chances for the Senate? Do you think Mitch is going to sit by and say, 'yeah go get ‘em Mr. President’ and not create the mechanism to send money? His delays already have probably destroyed plenty of lives enough already to give him a few more pints of life blood.

All this EO bulls*** is ‘this is what I want to sign a deal’. They already went to $400 from what I think was once $100. Payroll tax cut is insanely unpopular on both sides of the aisle. Capital gains tax holiday is for sure not popular. The only thing Trump really wants is the capital gains thing. He would probably give workers $2,000 a week to the end of the year if he could get that in a passed bill. The passing of any kind of cap gains tax holiday will crash the stock market that has been primed for a crash ever since this thing began.

Mitch has been and will always play kingmaker here. He wants to swoop in and save the day for the GOP. I just think he underestimated how stupid Mark Meadows is.

Democrats because the media will report it as “Democrats block Trump unemployment EO” or some similar thoughtless nonsense.

Maybe, but I question whether anyone is even watching the news anymore. We turned it off weeks ago because it’s too depressing/fatiguing.

I think your heart in the right place Nun. That being said we are like 3 years into the fuck you I do whatever I want phase with literally zero meaningful actions by Chuck and Nancy or anyone else on earth. Even taking a meaningful majority in the House accomplished literally nothing.

Expecting the system to save us is idiotic at this point. They have been stress testing the system for 3.5 years and have realized there is no “system”. Doing whatever they want and going on state sponsored TV (OANN/Fox) is far more effective than trying the last 40 years of Dem strategy which was basically to “reach across the aisle” and “compromise” which is code for Washington Generals level effort.

Most will expect it to come.

  • Crazy Nancy
  • Cryin Chuck
  • Sleepy Joe
  • That Kenyan Muslim Guy
  • Fake News Media, they are the enemy of the people
  • All of the Above, Ya Dumb Libruls

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It’s super popular on the right. SUPER popular. They live for that shit.

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Need a option for lawsuits :grin:

You’re conflating actually destroying lives based on a pure lie with whatever the other stuff is related to institutions. When they tried to really destroy the ACA that went really really poorly for the GOP.

I know Trump’s pure lies about COVID-19 are destroying hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives directly himself as well, but the one thing you don’t ever do in a business is f*** with people’s money. All hell breaks loose when you do that. This is a different beast he’s unleashed here and it has nothing to do with institutions. It’s about lying that you’re sending dying people money when there is no mechanism for him to do that. If Mitch is anywhere near as smart as people give him credit for, he’s going to create the mechanism for Trump to do what he wants quickly (giving the Dems a ton of what they want to do so).

It’s definitely depressing and fatiguing, and to be fair most people don’t watch the news or read articles, they get their news from seeing headlines on Facebook or Twitter. So for example, here’s the WaPo headline about the Executive Orders:
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1292201493412687873

Here’s the New York Times’
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1292204177817513984

Low info voters are just going to see Trump trying to “help” while Democrats did nothing.

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So do you think every billionaire floating on COVID-19 new profit stock market blood money is going to pull their money out of the stock market based on Trump’s EO saying the capital gains tax is gone? If they think it’s real, then you can expect a huge sell off next week. If they don’t, all the money will stay in the stock market.

If they never passed a civics class, sure you’re right. I think Trump has been in people’s faces so strongly and wrongly during COVID-19 that a lot of those low info voters aren’t going to believe he’s doing something good and that it’s just another one of his bs plays.

I’ll point out again the main difference between the CARES Act negotiations and today is that Mark Meadows is on the negotiating team. He’s a clueless Tea Party Freedumb Caucus spending hawk idiot. No one should have ever allowed him in the room because he’s not a serious person.