I’d suggest asking what they think of your plan.
We all want the House bill passed. I’m going to guess they would be pretty happy.
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With no deal?
My best friend is rooting for the Dems not to cave, hoping for total annihilation on November 3. He’s basically in agreement with me, if not even more in favor of letting it burn. My cousin is less political, we haven’t discussed it.
I hope he feels the same way in the middle of September if nothing happens.
I fail to see how any of us are rooting for no deal either. Do we prefer that to getting bent over for the millionth time by the GOP? Sure. Those aren’t the same things.
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Thr problem with thinking you can bludgeon Trump into +2t by making the HEROS act popular is it requires Trump and Meadows to recognize your strategy succeeded.
Trump is full of shit. They have no clue where they are getting the money to extend the unemployment or how they are going to draft it up. . I can’t wait for my super good healthcare plan that’s coming tomorrow or next week or the week after.
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But the harder things stand firm the less likely a deal is. We know the GOP will not approve $3.4 trillion. We know the Dems will not approve $1 trillion. Neither side is doing any major budging as the Dems going down to $2 trillion did not move the needle for the GOP.
They are thinking of this from the same calculus the people here are. The GOP believes ‘caving’ looks bad for them (I even saw a quote from GOP person in an article today that said as much). The problem is that not caving for them means getting exactly what they want, mass homelessness, deaths, and no money. Neither side wants to cave for completely opposite reasons. One has no problem with not caving as that’s a level up feature while the other absolutely does care about how many lives will be impacted by this. No deal is the GOP’s A+ outcome, especially if they believe they will get smoked in November.
By the way, it’s worth noting the major difference between the CARES Act and what we’re going through right now is that Meadows wasn’t Chief of Staff then.
I’m confident he will. He’ll be pissed, but entirely at the GOP. I mean, it’s not like I’m going to let them go homeless, and he has family too. So you could say they’re not in the most fucked group. Worst case, they move in with me or with family. Not ideal and it would suck for them to lose their home equity and savings, but he’s willing to take that chance in this situation rather than concede and take another L. He sees the long game here.
The Dems moved 60% of the way there and it was not “major budging”??? Jesus Christ just give em the whole store and close it down. Thank God you’re not Speaker.
No deal is not the GOP’s A+ outcome unless the election is already totally rigged. No deal and no EO solution and we can start talking about both Senate seats in Georgia, the one in Kansas, Cornyn in Texas, etc.
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This entire argument boils down to nunn feeling like we must save the immediate economic damage and suffering no matter the cost, then inventing magical circumstances where that can be done.
Nunn, you’ve proposed no viable path forward on this route. Your solution for the liability shield was to get more help from them later to help the increased number of sick.
How??? How can you help the dead? How can you get more money from them without another bargaining chip? You think the GOP will suddenly care about the working poor and do the right thing just because?
You get on these rants and lose touch with the reality of the situation. Like the rest of us are discussing a) what is realistically going to happen in our totally fucked country and b) what strategy we’d like to see and how it would play out. You’re discussing c) nunn’s fantasy world.
Your realistic options remain:
- Liability shield and more death
- $1T
- Walk and let him try his EOs
These are your real world choices. You may formulate a strategy of your own, but keep it realistic.
Like this:
Is pure fantasy. You’re going to take Mitch at his word that he’ll come back with more aid? Maybe make him pinky swear?
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Moving down to $2 trillion wasn’t budging. If I’m to believe Meadows, he said all they did was shorten the length of all the same programs without taking anything out. The Dems aren’t doing any major budging from the $3.4 trillion. You can believe they will, but they are seriously dug in. That’s why there is no deal or even something looking like a deal at this time.
They believe they have the winning hand like you do. That’s why nothing is happening. If nothing’s done by the end of next week I hope you can live with the ultimate consequences of that. I can’t depending on what kind of ‘real’ deals are up. We’ve seen nothing, so we can’t speculate or wonder if something is bad or good at this point.
We are so talking past each other here there’s no point in continuing.
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Get. The. Fuck. Out. They went 60% of the way!
That’s a gift to the GOP.
I won’t be happy about it but I’ll take it over giving them a liability shield to get like $1.7T.
One side, with all the leverage, moved 60% of the way. The other side moved 0%.
You: Neither side budged stop talking past me.
Good Lord, nunn. You want to hand out like $200 a week and tell everyone good news, they can pay a quarter of their rent instead of none, so they’ll owe less back rent after being evicted.
You’re doing that thing where make up my position and then hammer me until you believe that I said anything like what you’re saying.
If you think I want to hand out $200 and call that a victory you are literally insane. I’m saying to pass a skinny bill with eviction moratorium, $600 UE, and $600 hazard pay. Continue negotiating the rest. We can’t delay, but you’re cool with delaying as long as we get the BIG BILL.
They (GOP) won’t pass that. That’s fairy tale land. You’re pretending that can be passed, and that we’re all against it. Give us that through January 31 and we all snap call.
Here’s the message:
https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1291878850037551105?s=19
Trump’s off golfing with his wine and cheese millionaires who spend $35,000 to join his exclusive golf club. Meanwhile his party can’t pass an extension of unemployment benefits during a financial crisis. He’d rather have their applause than your life. Vote accordingly.
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This fucking guy
Mr. Schumer said, Mr. Trump’s proposal to stave off evictions wouldn’t help landlords who would then not receive rent payments.
“The biggest problem with the executive orders is not what they do, but who they leave out,
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I want to re-iterate for anyone in the peanut gallery that what I wrote below is and has been my position all along and the only position I’m advocating for during these protracted negotiations. Anything else is I’m being pulled into is pure baiting and is not representing what I’m for in the short term. Disagree or fight with that all you want, but I’m not getting into any further discussions hedging people’s lives over the size of a floundering deal.
If the GOP ignores this or doesn’t want that, then the ‘optics’ problems shift back to them.
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Getting a bill that can be spun as Republicans caving might be more important than the size of the deal. I’m against giving them a face-saving way out.