Bailout / Stimulus Discussion (Hints Missed & Shartz Fired)

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Well fuck

They gave up their biggest bargaining chip right out of the gate!

In this scenario they have two defensible options:

  1. Demand the policy that will do the most good, knowing Trump will claim (and receive) all the credit but accepting it as a worthwhile price to pay.

  2. Play politics, pass nothing and let Trump take the blame.

They are, inexplicably, going for option #3 - roll over, agree to a dogshit bill and still let Trump claim (and receive) all the credit.

It’s lunacy.

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It’s literally what they do every time. The lunacy is expecting this time to be any different.

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Keep in mind the House already passed their version of the bill. The Senate hasn’t even voted on theirs yet, because they don’t have the votes to pass it! And Democrats are STILL PREEMPTIVELY NEGOTIATING AGAINST THEMSELVES AND NUKING GOOD PROVISIONS GOD FUCKING DAMMIT WHAT THE FUCK THIS GOD DAMN COUNTRY

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And we gotta remember that this has almost nothing to do with trump. Republicans decided ten years ago to do everything they could to make congress worthless and they’ve succeeded. They succeeded so well that they can’t even kinda make it work again.

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I think the problem is the $600 a week is super unpopular with essential workers. They needed to add hazard pay for people still working. Even dem essential workers were mad. Then strip out all the bullshit pork. Lay that on that table and either GOP passes it or nothing gets passed and GOP takes the blame.

Don’t forget the FBI building.

There is a decent chance nothing passes not because Democrats fight, but because the GOP can’t get their shit together:

Again, this is why you should always just give benefits to everyone. It eliminates grievance politics entirely.

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Stoking grievances towards and between the working poor and the truly destitute is by design.

This one even gets on my nerves a little. I’d be making more (twice as much) if I got laid off but instead I’m kind of forced to take more risks and make less than a few of my friends sitting home.

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you’ll have to forgive me, but how does that work? I’m not familiar with the mechanics of this. Can anyone show me how this goes?

They just dumped $600 a week on top of the normal unemployment amount. Some people work full-time and don’t make $600 a week. So they’re getting a few hundred bucks per week regular unemployment plus the $600 bonus. So people laid off were in many cases making more than essential workers which in truth didn’t make sense.

But of course the response should be oh wow why are we paying our essential workers so little. And essential workers should be on a job strike and everyone should be on a rent strike. But as usual for USA#1 the unemployed are somehow the enemy here.

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Give everyone 600/week for now Tax the shit out of it so it’s clawbacked. (On it’s own tax table).

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That is the response of most I know. But still you live in the reality of the situation.

I’d be all for a general strike though it’s against it’s my contract.

I didn’t mean to insult you. I completely understand why you would feel it’s unfair. Because it is. We are hard-wired to recognize cheating.

I also believe that if you had the option of either reducing or keeping the $600 the same you would choose the latter even though it’s unfair. But a lot of people in your situation would not. Which is understandable but we tend to misidentify the villain.

I wasn’t insulted all good. And yeah I would not cut it at all.

There are also lots of unemployed for whom $600/week doesn’t cover their bills and dropping to $200 will devastate them financially.

Too bad technology doesn’t exist to base it on what you were making given they know how much you made when determining state benefit amount.

Even more too bad we can’t just do UBI.

I am so disappointed there aren’t ads running already with a side by side comparison of HEROES V HEELS*

*poetic license on the spelling change.

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