This really highlights how bad the dems are at this, it’s so fucking obvious and would crush so hard. Complicit for sure.
Pelosi: Officers arrest this commie. She knows all this, no way she doesn’t. She just doesn’t want to do it. I guess maybe the feeling of being the adult in the room could just be too strong but I’m leaning towards complicit.
That said I do have to give Nancy credit, she saw that impeachment would backfire in a huge way and it did while we all thought it would be great. Trump went from a dog to the favorite after impeachment. Now you could argue it was played wrong and I agree, but I don’t think it would have mattered how they played it.
Impeachment backfiring and Trump and Co realizing there is zero consequences to outright cheating is also why they’re doing the outright fascism shit and going to straight up cheat. I don’t think with them crushing impeachment so hard that Trumps approval ratings were at all time highs after CLEARLY cheating and doing illegal shit they’d be doing a lot of the stuff they’re doing now.
I don’t know where I fall on impeachment, they had to do something, but it ended up so obviously bad for our side that either option really fucking sucked.
You still have to do the right thing. It was correct to impeach Trump and get it on the record. It’s not Pelosi and Schiff’s fault half the country are brain dead morons.
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Probably true, as doing nothing would have split the left super hard and made a lot of us, me included, that democrats weren’t voting for at any cost. That said, I do wish they hadn’t of found out until after the election lol.
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Yeah I saw this coming
Basically WAAF and this is why Pelosi is trying hard to make a deal, she realizes dems will eat the blame too regardless of what the reality is. People are stupid as fuck.
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Basically polling like that ensures Republicans won’t budge much on their side, and dems will either cave or nobody gets shit and eat equal or more blame.
Fuck I’m feeling way more hopeless now.
GJGE Nancy you fucking failure.
I mean I don’t disagree but if people are so stupid and easy to persuade why can’t the eDems ever manage to persuade them? I don’t think we should let them off the hook, they literally never, ever, learn.
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You don’t get positions of power in the Dem party through competence. You get there by licking the right boots as often as possible. Literally our beacons of hope in AOC/Bernie have to work outside the framework of the party structure for this reason. They both would have no chance getting to DC on the same path most of the Dem caucus took.
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I think you are overstating the importance of one poll. Presidential election years are all about the presidential race. They can drag their party into majorities along with them. (See: Obama, Barack, 2008). If the country is burning come November people will be ready for a change.
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I hope you’re right but it’s clear this isn’t going to be a big dem win. People will be equally split on who’s at fault for it burning at the both sides might just not vote which hurts us way more
What percentage of the 40% who blamed Dems are voting Trump no matter what? 95%? They don’t matter.
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Obv. Problem is the both sides are right leaning Biden voters who might stay home and we need them badly
I wouldn’t worry about voter enthusiasm this time around. If there’s one thing Donald does for sure it’s inspire strong opinions. People at this point either love him or hate him and either way they have every intention of showing up to vote for or against him. Biden and Harris very nearly don’t matter tbh.
Biden can go out and say all kinds of stupid shit and it won’t matter because his opponent is Trump and this election is about how we, as a nation, feel about our experiment with electing a genuine moron president.
Here’s my “this election is about …” hot take.
The 2020 election is literally reality vs fantasy. D v R isn’t about policy anymore, it isn’t even really about Trump it just feels that way because malignant narcissists are experts at sucking all the oxygen out of a room. This Dems, for all their many many faults, at least tend to live in reality. They talk about real problems that actually exist and propose solutions ranging from inadequate to ok. Not the most inspiring to be sure. BUT the Rs literally deal in pure fantasy. They deny obvious problems. They propose policies that only work in R fantasy land. They offer nothing to help anyone except the overwhelmingly advantaged who benefit from total ignorance of the population. This election is really posing a simple but scary question - does the voting public want to deal with reality? I’m not confident about this at all. Denial and tribalism are powerful.
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I think you missed the part where Mitch fucking McConnell wants to reopen negotiations. He is running super scared at just how bad this whole executive order gambit is turning out. Just two days ago he said that he fully supported the president’s EOs, and now he wants to start negotiating again? Hes shook. That’s a much bigger win than a single poll that shows 40% of this country are idiots (something we already knew when they voted for Trump in the first place)
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I think the answer to that question was clearly no… before the pandemic. People very much want things to go back to normal so they can go back to denying reality. Trump is very very very clearly not an agent of normalcy. I think we crush the normie vote here honestly.
I agree that the GOP deals in pure fantasy, which is a direct result of nothing ever getting done in politics for decades now. What you propose doesn’t actually have to work if it’ll never get done. The GOP have leaned into this ‘but it’ll never get done’ thing to propose all kinds of wild shit that appeals to their voters specifically. The Democrats have stubbornly refused to stop demanding that the voters eat their broccoli. I think it’s a toss up on who is more full of shit in this environment hilariously. The Democrats who pretend that we’re going to actually try to solve our problems in a real world way or the GOP who pretend that their cracked out pure red meat policy ideas would work at all in real life.
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Yes these are very good points. One concern I have is that we seem to have an assumption here that economic disaster and civil unrest will lead to people making logical conclusions like “Trump doesn’t have any idea what he’s doing and its making the country worse”, but in very stressful times people are going to be more susceptible to emotionally driven false narratives.
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I think economic disaster and civil unrest make politics more important to people, and as a result they pay more attention to it. Some of them will fall for the false narratives, but for a lot of people politics is like rooting for the Olympics. It’s a sport you don’t really understand but you’re rooting for your country and it’s fun to watch people do physical feats.
I think the pandemic and the economic disaster transform politics into a sport you really ARE a fan of. Suddenly the minutiae matters and you’re analyzing whether or not your team is drafting the right players and you get really mad when they fuck up.
The Trump supporters aren’t who matters in this race. They are going to show up on election day no matter what. What matters is everyone who isn’t a Trump supporter. All the ‘I’m not very political’ people who normally don’t give the tiniest shit about politics in normal times (because it doesn’t matter lol… seriously for the last 30-40 years nothing was getting done so nothing really mattered about politics for these people, which was rational whether we want to admit it or not. It’s not like they were going to change it by paying attention to it personally) matter a ton in this election.
I think turnout is going to be crazy this time and I think a lot of people who normally can’t be bothered to vote are going to show up just to vote for a return to not having to care about politics.