Because I didn’t infer any transphobia from that tweet and I don’t believe Dawkins is a transphobe
At least not yet. Y’all are calling him one just like you assign false attributes to me when you have no real argument. But no one has presented any evidence that he is. My mind can be changed
But you’ve also worried about hate speech laws. Conservatives have warned about the danger of speech laws forever. Canada has had anti hate speech laws my whole life. When is the slippery slope getting slippery?
Yes, it is what made Peterson famous.
lol cactus using 4 year old Jordan Peterson material, do better
I think you’re wrong here, but that seems to be a completely different argument than a lot of what you are saying, including the title of this thread.
Are you trying to argue about free speech or about where or not Dawkins is using transphobic language?
You seem to want to meld these two debates together for some reason.
I’m big on rights. Hate speech (as I understand it) is when you endanger or marginalize an entire group of people. Writing get out Muslims on a mosque is hate speech because you’re basically making an entire group of people feel afraid to live their lives freely
But even tho I agree with calling someone whatever pronoun they prefer, I’m very concerned about instituting laws requiring it. If I wanna call a tree a frog that’s my right and I shouldn’t be fined or jailed for it
(and yes being stupid is a right too)
This isn’t an accurate representation of his post. 1) he is a public figure and should be expected to use at least an ounce of basic logic and humility before ‘just asking for an open discussion’ in a public space. 2) google could probably lead him to the answer or at least a pretty good indication of other ways to view this problem through a less offensive lens. 3) his framing of the ‘discussion’ is done with an obvious viewpoint and bias that is likely to offend and hurt others. Don’t feel bad for this guy. He is just publicly speaking as he has a right to, and others are just publicly dunking on his asshattery as they also have the free speech and association rights to.
You don’t care about the science association’s right to associate or disassociate in this case?
Man, it’s not like a half dozen different people told you clearly why that tweet was dripping with transphobia.
No. I don’t care about defending Dawkins. You guys can’t chew gum and walk at the same time.
This thread is about free speech and I guess if you want, about cancel culture too
My basic philosophy is if you say something I think is racist, transphobic, bigoted, etc., my first reaction isn’t to reply with some dumb cartoon meme. I’m gonna ask why you think you’re right and if I disagree, I’m gonna tell you where I think you’re going wrong
That’s free speech to me. I’ll debate with you before ostracizing, shaming, and canceling you. Not that I have anything against those tactics when all else fails
Prior to the LBJ Civil Rights Act in 1964, they were.
It’s the same disingenuous act Republicans use to tell people that they aren’t racist. #LincolnWasARepublican, ignoring that realignments occur.
I missed it or am not smart enough. What was it? His comparing someone who identified as black to trans people? I’m seriously ignorant. Are we saying people can’t identify as another race? What if I’m half N. Korean and half Vietnamese and want to identify as only Vietnamese? Is that not allowed? How do you know the tweet was more transphobic than racist?
My mother wasn’t even alive in the 60s so I wouldn’t know. This is why this forum sucks so hard and I so rarely visit. You guys fight with clouds.
I was talking about conservatism and authoritarian government. Not about race
Feel like this has been explained to you, but here’s the quote:
It’s the “choose” part that’s problematic.
It’s not a choice, and it’s insulting to the trans community to state that it is.
It is an odd definition of free speech where now I have to debate every fucking asshole with a dumb opinion in the world or I’m denying them their rights.
It’s not that I’m defending it, I’m trying to understand what’s so transphobic about it. Why have we gotten so sensitive about speech?
Not every dumb asshole, just those at the pinnacle of our society, i.e. white men. If you want to belittle anyone else, then others are actually obligated to respect and politely debate your dumb assholery!
Yeah serious oversight blunder on my part. Of course, being gay, trans, or cis is not a choice. But surely Dawkins knows this as well (and wouldn’t be forgetful enough like me to overlook that)
This isn’t just about Dawkins. Enough people obviously cared enough about the tweet to create an uproar. It’s also about Sam Harris who has said some egregious things I disagree with, but also things you guys would slam that I do agree with. I wonder how Christopher Hitchens would fair in today’s intolerant climate of differing points of view?
Maybe the thread isn’t about free speech as much as it is about intolerance for differing viewpoints and reluctance to debate in an educated formal way instead of using immature memes and cancelling right away
OK, here you go.
It’s also that his quote “men choose to identify as women” undermines trans women who feel that they are women through and through (and always have been), not a man in a disguise.