That all sounds like a plan, but it’s not and you constantly admit that you’re not even following it, so what the fuck am I supposed to take away from that?
Like you go on an anti-capitalist rant and an anti-Nordic capitalism rant, then end with the whole purpose just being an individual drop in the bucket and not really mattering broadly? The fuck is that?
We’re discussing what economic system this country should have, and what we should fight for and advocate for.
You’re against unregulated capitalism (we all are), you’re against regulated Nordic-style capitalism, and you’re for… being a drop in the bucket who gives this stuff up on an individual basis.
But you haven’t even done it yet?
So basically, fuck my arguments, fuck my ideas, they’re all wrong and yours are right, but you don’t even follow yours yourself, nor do yours call for any plan for stopping the dumpster fire you rail against?
I mean, what the fuck JT?
You’re advocating for stepping away from the dumpster fire, but allowing it to burn none the less. But you’re still throwing more garbage into the dumpster anyway.
My goal is not to absolve myself of moral blame for the dumpster fire, my goal is to come up with a plan to put it out and lift people out of poverty.
If that’s how it has to happen, it’s never ever ever ever ever happening. 0.0% chance it happens by like 200M Americans coming to their senses and taking individual action to reduce their consumption by enough before the planet is uninhabitable.
Well they are equivalent. Sorry about that. But you are jumping ahead, and arguing against what hasn’t even been stated. Which is common BTW, but also silly, and also a sign.
Let’s start a little slower…
Anti-slavery is in fact anti-capitalist because the slaves didn’t control of their means of production.
Can we agree on just this little bit as a stand alone matter?
You can’t expect me to read 12,000+ words and respond to them right away. I bookmarked the articles to read in full later, responded to the excerpts, and read the shorter one.
Meanwhile you’re the only person in this debate on your side who has provided anything other than “fuck all capitalism” and “go educate yourself” and “Nordic capitalism can’t work but I admit I don’t really know much about it,” so at least thanks for bringing some substance to the table.
Guess we’re going to go around in circles here. You don’t get to just declare them equivalent and drop the mic and tell everyone to fuck off cause you’re the smartest. But I’m really enjoying you being a condescending prick as I do homework for everyone on my positions. Quite classy.
Anti-slavery is not anti all capitalism. You continue to attempt to bully me into a false equivalence that I refuse to accept. You can be anti-slavery and anti-capitalism or you can just be fucking anti-slavery.
While slavery means the slaves did not control the means, it does not mean that all systems in which the workers do not control the means are slavery. You want to make that connection because it suits you, but just because it suits you doesn’t make it true.
One of the things that’s annoying about the USA is the idea that you need so much living space. I like living in city centres among all the action, but it’s so expensive in most desirable cities. In Lyon, I had a 400 sq. ft. place that I felt like was plenty of space for someone living alone and lots of friends had places even smaller. And obviously in Asia there are loads of micro studios. I don’t see why we couldn’t do that in the USA, but probably it’s way less profitable so it will never work.
So you genuinely think that AOC, Warren, Bernie, etc etc are dead in the water with zero chance of reform… But that 200M people are going to individually decide to cut their consumption by like 50-70% to save the planet in time?
Let me put that another way. You think 200M people are going to stop unnecessary consumption before 60-70M people cast a ballot for an AOC type candidate?
No, I haven’t declared shit. That’s all you projecting. I’ve only asked you one simple Q, which you have so far refused to engage with. Which I’ll repeat like Charlie Brown trying to kick that football…
Anti-Slavery is anti-capitalist, correct ?
as I do homework for everyone on my positions.
I’ve never asked you to do homework on your own positions. WTF are you yapping on about? Two… why would I or anyone else need you to do homework on the same old shit that’s been crammed down our throats, now on 500+ channels lives, our whole entire lives ?
Nah you’re all refusing to address it with evidence or reason and/or refusing to address the evidence or reason I’ve laid out. I have addressed the problems capitalism creates and how I see them being fixed in the Nordic model. You were arguing against the Nordic model while admitting you didn’t even know what it was!!!
I mean how the fuck can you be this active here and not know what it is AND argue against it???
Ggoreo is the only one who presented any real arguments, and even then he did so by dumping like 13,000 words of content on me. But he excerpted some stuff and I responded to that and will read more later.
I’ve answered the question two times. You don’t like my answer, but you’ve declined to deconstruct it so you’re just pretending I haven’t answered it. I haven’t answered it the way you like, but it’s been addressed.