“Troll” = “One who points out Sabo’s ignorance.”
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I’m watching a Premier League soccer game now where the team has a “Black Lives Matter” banner displayed on the empty seats. The team is for profit and has revenue of £300m, so they seem ok with capitalism to me.
I’ve also heard that Major League Baseball is supporting Black Lives Matter. Has anyone heard when the owners are planning to gift their ballclubs to the players and the fans?
So now we’re pushing conspiracy like theories that the Portland chapter is rouge?
BLM is lots of things to lots of people. One thing is as simply what it started as: a hashtag and a generic term for contemporary civil rights activism.
And… sure, Mad-Men types can focus group and survey people and come up with “demographics”. And if you want to call the “demographic” that “agree” or “agree strongly” the BLM is “important” or what/ev… and call this demographic the “adherents”. Well, you are correct (and I guess #win the interwebs).
I’ll give you a benefit of the doubt here. I wasn’t talking about “adherents” as defined by polling and focus groups. I’m talking about the actual BLM activists. You know… the actual black folk who are doing the organizing, putting out the calls to action, and you know… doing all the other actual work that makes a hashtag into a movement. Like the members of the various chapters, including Portland.
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Yeah, it’s pretty fucking hilarious how clueless all these “captains of industry” actually are.
What’s also hilarious is the RWNJ side of the media is all over this… and here on UnStuck we got liberals (a) lol-tastically playing the 1960s era “outside agitators” trope, (b) “white-explaining” it all away or (c ) playing raised by wolves.
I guess you prefer the Marxist whitesplaining?
To each his own.
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BLM is inherently anti-capitalist, even if people don’t understand that it is. Capitalism is based on ownership and profit. Ultimately, property and wealth are more important than lives in a capitalist system.
People say that “Black Lives Matter” really means “Black Lives Matter As Much as White Lives” when it should really mean “Black Lives Matter More Than Property”. “Black Lives Matter More Than Your Property Values”. “Black Lives Matter More Than White People’s Desire for a Tidy Existence”.
The police have been set up to protect property over lives. That’s why vandalism and “riots” are seen as a bigger problem than taking lives, especially black lives, especially poor lives, especially the lives of anyone who is a misfit in our profit-driven economy.
I can’t speak for others, but for me, the idea of abolishing the police means abolishing the police as we know them, rectifying this imbalance and having our mechanism for law enforcement value lives over property. I’ m not sure what that looks like, but I believe that the first step towards change is to wreck people’s faith in the institution of the police without being anti-government.
The transition to a better system will be messy and there will probably be some trial-and-error and mistakes will be made. The idea that change has to be orderly, the idea that we should–that we can–anticipate all potential problems is ludicrous. Before we can begin to fix the problem, we need to get enough people to acknowledge that there is a problem.
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Not a big fan. There’s even a real phrase for that: “Class Reductionist”. Of course, BLM, being focused on black folk, is an explicit repudiation of class reductionism.
Your gotcha is Portland, a town where the overwhelming majority of people and activists are white.
Well that’s true, I guess. However… you are going to have to explain to me how that fact makes anything I mentioned a “gotcha”.
While you are at it, I’m not sure of any of the Ws here… like who am I supposed to be “gothcha”-ing, what am I trying to “gothca” them about, why I would even care to do so, and as I mentioned above, how.
Who: liberals and capitalists itt
What: BLMs alleged anti capital core
Why: This is the internet
How: Your claim that the Portland BLM org speaks for all BLM, or at least the portion of BLM you care about
I’m pretty sure there have been empirical studies that concluded peaceful protests are more effective than violet ones.
Well, when you say “gotcha”, I say “explaining things”, I guess.
Still confused about WTF the fact that Portland is full of white folk has to do with anything.
The Portland folks are splaining what BLM is in their website you cited. The Portland folks are also white. When you juxtapose the bolded words, you can understand @DrChesspain’s point.
You might well be disappointed with what you find.
Regardless, it’s a false dichotomy. Por que no los dos?
It’s also a false dichotomy relentlessly propagated to establish the “good protestor” -vs- “bad protestor” trope. Divide & supress. A topic you might be interested in reading up on is called Diversity of Tactics.
This is incorrect. That’s the official website of the Portland chapter of the Black Lives Network.
Now… I’ve posted the URL twice above, and as of right now there are -zero- clicks. That, and your lol-tastical response, tells me you didn’t even look at the website in question. So we can add to the list above… (d) liberals playing ostrich.
ETA: And… I guess we got another “outside agitators” sighting ITT. It’s patronizing to imply black folk can’t develop class consciousness on their own.
You’re missing my point. I wasn’t talking about good vs bad protesting, I was explicitly addressing microbets statement which implied that it was the violence that gets shit done. That’s not a credible claim.
This thread proves white liberals will always betray black folks. The US as currently constituted has formed a racial caste system whereby Africans are colonized in their own country. Some are allowed to escape the most extreme forms of exploitation, but black families still have only clawed back one-tenth of the wealth that white families possess. Study after study shows unconscionable disparities between white and black Americans. In my eyes, any system that has allowed the current reality to come into being must be destroyed root and stem. To claim the current civil rights movement is being hijacked by white extremists is to be ignorant of history. MLK was a socialist. Malcolm X was a Pan-Aficanist. The Panthers were Maoist. If anything, black youth are rediscovering their radical history that white liberals have been so eager to destroy.
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I know, and I didn’t mean to imply that you did. I was elaborating on my earlier comment.
“Only violence gets things done”, and “violence always gets things done”, and “violence is always the best way to get things done (by any reasonable metric)” aren’t credible claims. I don’t feel that @ microbet was making those claims. But he’s the most prolific of UnStuckers, and he can speak for himself.
“Sometimes violence gets things done” is what I feel @ microbet was getting on about.
But my response wasn’t to his comment, I was responding to your comment. Which I’d paraphrase as…
- “I feel history shows non-violence is more effective than violence (given any reasonable metric)”.
And my response was that you might find your feelings are not confirmed if you take a dive into the actual research that has been done. My further elaboration was that this is a false dichotomy. History could well show that a “mix” of non-violence and violence is more effective than -both- non-violence only -and- violence only (given some reasonable metrics)".
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