Interesting, thanks for the knowledge. I should have thought to tag you to get a good answer.
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2 of the three Ahmaud Arbery murderers just got sentenced to life plus 20 years, no parole
Edit: third gets life with possibility of parole
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All because of one little mistake. White Christians in America are oppressed, I tells ya!
Life is the only sentence for the crimes all three committed so the sentencing was just parole or no parole.
How does that work; do they just leave their rotting corpses in the cell for 20 years?
Generally anything where a human being was the but-for cause of the death (as opposed to illness, act of god, animal, etc.). YMMV on the precise definition across different jurisdictions.
Yeah, I mean, It’s subjective to some extent in that you have a coroner or pathologist making the call. Coke and twinkies isn’t going to be a homicide. Land mine probably is.
If the life sentence gets tossed for some reason or gets commuted, the 20 years is still there. It’s mostly just for show.
It’s pretty sad that it takes something this egregious to get justice. Basically it has to be so bad even a massive racist would have almost no choice but to say “Yeah, that crossed the line”.
Is anyone aware of people who are stanning for the murderers? Even Chauvin had people going to bat for him.
Something this egregious, caught on film and leaked by one of the defendants because they thought it was exculpatory.
I watch a lot of lawyer youtube guys and yes there were commentators who were on their side, saying it was a valid citizen’s arrest and then it was self defense once Arbery reached for the gun. But all the lawyers were all lol they didn’t even know what crime they were supposedly arresting him for. At most they had reasonable suspicion and you need probable cause to make an arrest. And you can’t have probable cause if you can’t articulate the crime that the guy committed. They told the cops that day that they just wanted to talk to the guy, they didn’t have any knowledge of what they did. The cops wanted to arrest them then and there to their credit but the DA overrode them. So it was all just a series of crimes, starting with false imprisonment, moving briskly along to assault and murder.
Maybe I’m missing something. If the commentators claimed it was a valid citizens arrest, how did they respond to the fact that the murderers didn’t have probably cause and couldn’t articulate the crimes?
They ignored that part. The guy was up to no good and they were trying to protect their neighborhood. That’s their whole rationale. Which, I actually believe that was the murderers’ good faith intention. Just sucks for them that they didn’t understand the law. But making a citizen’s arrest is totally insane, no one should ever do it. You have no training but you’re held to the same or a higher standard than the cops. Just call the cops! Follow the guy maybe but pointing a gun at him? Insane.
Definitely higher. If those three were uniformed cops in marked cars, they are 100% never going to prison. Of course, Arbery probably acts very differently in that case.
Keeeed you have the broadest definition of the term ‘good faith’ I’ve ever seen. Is there a reason you always bend over backwards to give every single person, no matter how obviously full of shit, credit for acting in good faith?
What is the origin of this obvious tic of yours? Help me understand why I should assume that your assertions that literally every scumbag who ever lived is acting in good faith are themselves made in good faith? Because you present as someone smart enough to know better in almost every way (besides actually knowing better ldo).
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Well a key difference is that police can detain someone with just reasonable suspicion. The McMichaels had every right to approach Arbery and ask him what he was doing, but Arbery had every right to tell them to fuck off and keep on going down the road. In that exact same situation a police officer could briefly detain Arbery, ask him questions and maybe pat him down (not sure on this part). And if he runs from the McMichaels it means nothing, but it he runs from the cop when the cop with reasonable suspicion tries to detain him, that’s a whole different thing.
I think that when the McMichaels jumped in their truck they actually thought they were chasing after a probable burglar. That’s what I mean by good faith in this context.
Come on, they were two white men in the Deep South chasing after a black man that had no business being in their white neighborhood. Everything else was ex post facto justification.
Three white men!
I certainly agree if he’d have been a white guy they might not have chased after him. But if there weren’t a string of burglaries in the neighborhood I don’t think this would have happened. That put the three white guys on high alert and they were acting like amateur police trying to solve this string of crimes in the neighborhood. But the factors aren’t mutually exclusive, both the string of burglaries and the black guy who doesn’t belong increase the chances of them chasing after Arbery.
Well actually, the elder McMichael did have LEO training as he was a former cop for 5+ years and investigator for the DAs office for 20+ years. I assume that training contributes to his belief that he should chase and attempt the citizens arrest.