ACAB (formerly G Floyd) - Tyre Nichols video released, it's bad

[6ix]

@6ix

call’s

i’m leaving it in

[6ix]

@geewhysee

I think the tactical mistake is playing into the notion that we have to evaluate these things on the split second basis rather than the big picture because then you either have to agree this was a “good shot” tm (in the context of our times) or blatantly ignore the individual reality of the split second situation to stay consistent with your broader point (police generally should be shooting far fewer people).

It’s the trolley problem set up that’s so infuriating. Your asking me whether I pull the lever in this spot? I want to know who is building these trolleys and sending them down the track at people. And if we can’t get at the trolley manufacturers yet then it’s time to build a few more switch points into our rail system so we can divert this trolley before it gets to the lines with people on them.

True, and that’s why I don’t fault people for getting mad over this, aside from them trying to tell me my eyeballs don’t work. A teenager was trying to stab another teenager and got killed, where do you even begin to analyze just how thoroughly everything is wrong for that happen? People “defending” the trigger man, the cop, aren’t actually defending him, they’re saying that any analysis that stops at that cop is a woefully inadequate disservice to everybody.

[6ix]

I hate tapping the sign:

@6ix

The years before I started playing poker I helped a friend research a book about wrongful arrests, convictions and/or sentencings. Nobody gives a fuck. Forget privileged white people, do you know hard it was to teach an average lower-middle-class urban black person to say “what were they convicted for” instead of “what did they do”? Jon Burge And Crew tortured dudes in the basements of police stations to get them to confess to murders. Nobody gave a fuck, and nobody can remember or ever knew the victims’ names.

However, when the whole world is forced to watch a snuff film that’s when delicate sensibilities are offended and polite society declares the whole affair a bridge too far, and the performative white generalized guilt and the performative black survivor’s guilt cum victimhood fetishization breaks the levees. But they don’t want anything to fundamentally change, they just don’t want to watch snuff films.

Yell at me and tell me I’m wrong, I hope I am. Maybe it’s just a case of this incident happening the same day as the Chauvin verdict has people kneejerk trying to put a square peg in a round hole because that last round peg fit to perfection.

[olink]

@boredsocial

instead of ancient institutions built to solve problems we no longer have.

Blacks and poors getting uppity is the only problem police were ever meant to solve.

[Basic]

@olink

Blacks and poors getting uppity is the only problem government was ever meant to solve.

Fixed

[Danspartan]

Nobody does shit until there is video. And then maybe…

[Marksman]

Much like the cop who attacked a guy filming him from his own porch, will we ever see a police murder as blatzhf as this? Seems police are going to even more aggressively go after people filming, instead of just stopping the murdering.

We are just going to end up with a lot of videos of police aggressively approaching, the camera tumbling and then cutting off, matched perfectly with some new body cam workaround.

[j8i3h289dn3x7]

I think there’s a major distinction here between:

1. The police system in the US needs reforming and this situation is an example of it; and
2. What the officer in this specific situation did is deserving of punishment based upon his training and the rules as they exist right now.

I buy 1. I don’t buy 2.

[j8i3h289dn3x7]

@boredsocial

If you’re going to have them carry guns

I am absolutely in favor of a repeal of the 2A, and then moving to the British model for arming police. However, absent the repeal of 2A, there are simply way too many guns in this country to have the police be unarmed.

[mosdef]

Maybe disarming the cops would get them behind 2A reform.

[Jalfrezi]

Repealing the 2A wouldn’t do much to remove existing weapons from criminals and would-be criminals - you’d need some additional mechanism to achieve that.

Americans made up 4 percent of the world’s population but owned about 46 percent of the entire global stock of 857 million civilian firearms.[5]

U.S civilians own 393 million guns. American civilians own more guns “than those held by civilians in the other top 25 countries combined”[6]

American civilians own nearly 100 times as many firearms as the U.S. military and nearly 400 times as many as law enforcement.[7]

Americans bought more than 2 million guns in May 2018, alone.[7] That is more than twice as many guns, as possessed by every law enforcement agency in the United States put together.[7]

In April and May 2018, U.S. civilians bought 4.7 million guns, which is more than all the firearms stockpiled by the United States military.[7]

In 2017, Americans bought 25.2 million guns, which is 2.5 million more guns than possessed by every law enforcement agency in the world put together.[7]

Between 2012 and 2017, U.S. civilians bought 135 million guns, 2 million more guns than the combined stockpile of all the world’s armed forces.[[7]]

Good luck with that.

[j8i3h289dn3x7]

@Ikioi

Don’t we have enough technical capability to create a weapon, maybe something better and more long-range than a taser, that can suppress violent suspects without killing or maiming them?

You mean like a freeze-ray?

[j8i3h289dn3x7]

@Formula72

It’s worth it to make sure she’s an angel before we shoot. If she dies, I’m sure it was the fentanyl in her system that did her in.

Carbon-monoxide poisoning, imo. She was standing pretty close to that car in the video.

[anon12304106]

I see the standard right wing talking point on this case is now Chauvin was guilty but, gosh darn, the jury was just so intimidated that we have to let him off anyways.

[i2i]

First florida and now Oklahoma

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1385553793589387269?s=21

[anon10396289]

was curious about that law so I looked it up. Looks like that’s the least of it:

Section 1312. Every person guilty of participating in any riot
is punishable as follows:

1. If any murder, maiming, robbery, rape or arson was committed in the course of such riot, such person is punishable in the same manner as a principal in such crime;

So everyone in the riot is on the hook for a murder if a fellow rioter kills someone? Damn.

This is the relevant plowing over protesters section:

A motor vehicle operator who unintentionally causes injury or death to an individual shall not be criminally or civilly liable for the injury or death, if:

1. The injury or death of the individual occurred while the motor vehicle operator was fleeing from a riot, as defined in Section 1311 of Title 21 of the Oklahoma Statutes, under a reasonable belief that fleeing was necessary to protect the motor vehicle operator from serious injury or death; and

2. The motor vehicle operator exercised due care at the time of the death or injury.

So you can’t just plow over protesters, you have to reasonably be threatened with death or serious injury. But isn’t that already the law? Like if you’re being carjacked and you speed away and in the process of doing so run over and kill the carjacker, you’re not on the hook for murder, right?

http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2021-22%20ENR/hB/HB1674%20ENR.PDF

[i2i]

Umm holy shit at section 1312

Also funny numerical coincidence

1312=ACAB

[mukdukaluk]

Repubs jerking it to Tiananmen square memories I see. Be interesting to see what the polling is on that approach.

[Basic]

@Jalfrezi

Repealing the 2A wouldn’t do much to remove existing weapons from criminals and would-be criminals - you’d need some additional mechanism to achieve that

Sounds like a job for social workers once police are abolished.

[superuberbob]

Sam Harris is the walking embodiment of white privilege. The guy was born into wealth, was gifted a Ph.D based on an absurd thesis, and then strawmans the left while simultaneously claiming to be one of them. Guy just spends all day JAQing off by both sidesing every issue (well excluding Islam and free will).

He’s now doing a podcast with Ricky Gervais.

EDIT: Started listening to his last episode that had Rener Gracie on it and it was a fucking sales pitch for Gracie University as a way to train police officers to use nonlethal force more effectively. Way to completely miss the fucking problem in policing. Sam is such an asshole.