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I will use my four hours to give a PSA, because I didnât realize until I was clicking around earlier that you can actually find this out at the bottom of your Summary page:
(obv your numbers will be different)
Yeah I gotta resist the temptation to read these threads.
Making the PMs public was a violation of privacy, but letâs make two things clear for everyone on both sides of this mess.
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There wasnât anything that bad in there. At worst all it can be characterized is some private discussion of the forum that possibly blended into some organized trolling depending on your interpretation. There really isnât anything there that anyone should be that upset about. So I think people not in the PM thread need to let it go.
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For the people in the PM thread, itâs not like there was anything that private in there that would be damaging to be made public. Especially when there were what 50 members in it? I view it as equivalent to the discord some of us from UP have that spun off from the Topshot thread. If someone got access to the discord who wasnât invited, copied all the posts from there and posted them publicly on UP, that would be a violation of our privacy. I also wouldnât care at all if someone did. Some stuff on the Internet is serious business. Nothing here is though. You can rightfully be upset at jmakin, but letâs not act like itâs something more than what it was.
Regarding #2, Iâm not really upset because Iâm not that concerned about privacy, but it started with like 6 people and blew up a ways into it and my email address was in there which greg was kind enough to redact pretty quickly after it went public - while I was on my solidarity ban and not able to do it myself.
Trolly - that was literally 3 out of over a 1000 posts that no one paid attention too. Itâs gross to even mention it.
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I mean, except for the guy bragging about how he was trolling people.
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Not great, not that bad. 1 out of 50 people will be trolling at any given moment. Your screen name is Trolly ffs, lol.
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I agree with #2 mostly, and it wouldnât have been as bad if Jmakin hadnât undeleted deleted posts and prevented the ability to delete things like personal email addresses and the cities people in live.
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Itâs all the rage now, apparently. Zara just avoided a ban by requesting a temp.
Itâs pretty incredible the defensiveness displayed regarding jmakinâs self ban due to mental health and scorn regarding JT doing the same. If people think itâs unacceptable to have a go at jmakin due to mental health issues perhaps display the same courtesy for others.
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I donât get the fight over jmakin at this point. I really donât.
What he did was fully deserving of a permaban
And he just said permaban him. Do we need to RFC a full perma this shit, fine, Iâll vote to perma him.
Good god subforum already?
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The fight over jmakin is probably because people enjoy fighting. Otherwise, someone would start a RFC to permaban him.
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Still seems like heâd be getting banned via spite/vindictiveness tho, who gives a fuck if he blogs about his life and drops a post here or there?
Nobody really cares what he did just like nobody really cares about what was actually posted in the thread. (mbâs email address is an obvious caveat.) Itâs all political theatre.
These lines being drawn in the sand and factions solidifying really, really sucks.
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So much for the tolerant left, amirite?
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I feel like itâs this a lot of the time:
Mental health issues are no joke. If your behavior is hampering your ability to live a healthy and satisfying life and you feel like itâs regularly out of your control, then you need real, professional help. Not in a dismissive âyou need helpâ way, I mean you should go see a psychiatrist and a trained therapist and they have many amazing tools that can help you get things back under control.
And while having close friends to talk about your problems and having a community that is forgiving and understanding when youâre not at your best are very healthy ways to cope with negative emotions and mental health struggles, Iâm pretty skeptical that the way these things are handled around here is actually supportive. If someone is getting too drawn up in things and they PM a moderator to ask to be banned for two weeks to help them get away from it, of course thatâs fine, and if they decide after one week theyâre in a better place and PM the mod asking them to unban them, of course thatâs fine. But is it really healthy that when people get upset about something, they go and demand a permaban in the self-ban thread, knowing that it will get automatically converted to a two-week ban and it doesnât mean anything anyways and youâll get a dopamine hit from a bunch of people cooing over how sad they are that youâre leaving? I think itâs actually pretty unhealthy.
And is it fair to the community to have to figure out what the rules should be around self bans and gimmick accounts or to be uncertain whether a poster hasnât been banned by the mods because they self-banned or because their behavior is actually viewed as appropriate in this community? I donât think so.
Perhaps most importantly, if youâre engaging with UP in ways that you donât like and feel like you canât control, there are tools you can use to empower yourself. You can use StayFocused or some other plugin to lock you out of the URL for a period of time. You can just change the password to something really long and complicated, then remove it from your password manager. If thatâs what youâre after, you can empower yourself to do it without asking for anyoneâs help! And if what youâre really after is to register the fact that you feel aggrieved about whatâs going on and get help working through those feelings, then you should actually talk to someone (on here or IRL) about that.
(I donât want to talk a lot about jmakin because I donât think itâs good for anyone to do so, but the way people are trying to âsupportâ him is more akin to giving your alcoholic friend a lift to the bar than true compassion. He should be banned because he was in a position of trust and responsibility and abused it, end of story, but even if you only want whatâs best for him, he should also be banned because the way he engages with this site is so clearly unhealthy for him. I truly do hope that he has access to professional treatment and the support of close friends, because thatâs what he needs, not drama and accommodation and performative âniceness.â)
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This notion that people trying to be nice to jmakin is âperformativeâ is pretty obnoxious. Maybe people sincerely care about him?
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Microbet returned. JT came and went. Maybe unlock the subforum RFC and see where it goes?
The subforum is dead imo. Iâm not interested in where it was being pushed, which was to becoming a sub-section of the forum that would have half rights and exist only at the pleasure of a mod team that Iâve lost complete faith in. It seems to me that its primary use would be to have its members function as a piñata for the pleasure of the âgoodâ folks who canât tell that their own shit also stinks.
Iâll be voting against it if it ever comes up for vote.
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