About Moderation (old original thread)

one of these day you should look up what “beg(s) the question” actually means

(whoo boy)

is he already gone?

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A word is also a picture of a word

It’s a little-known statistical fact that people who rave about American cheese also go crazy over Bat Out Of Hell.

Shaq’s about to eat five gyros. Autogyros, specifically: two red ones, two white and one blue, as if painted for a Fourth of July airshow. The stage matches the garishly patriotic colour scheme, Yankee Stadium’s field paved over with plinths daubed in stars and stripes. Shaq himself is dressed like Evel Knievel dressed like Uncle Sam, but without the beard or hat. With that grin and that enormous stature, it would be impossible to mistake him for anyone but Shaq. A hundred cameras pick up the sweat criss-crossing his brow, and a manic, queasy smile is smeared across the Jumbotron for a sold-out stadium crowd. The plinths with the gyrocopters are squatting on first, second and third base, with two in the outfield. Shaq himself is on Home, standing but not waving to the crowd, as if about to receive an Olympic medal. Anticipation, confusion and worry beat down on us like the August heat.

“He’s not gonna do it, is he daddy?” My son clutches tight to the hem of my basketball shorts. Like a lot of people, I dressed up to come here: the crowd is a sea of uniforms, with a few Cavaliers and Bulls scattered around and even a handful of Phoenix Suns, but most of us are Lakers. The yellow doesn’t suit me, but my boy said I could be Isaiah Thomas.

“There’s no way, even if he had one bite he’d get super sick!” my son adds, genuine worry on his face. He’s not the only one with concerns. When Kanye West’s ‘Power’ announced Shaq’s appearance onto the field, only a third of the packed stadium could find the heart to applaud. Maybe Shaq’s already sick, I want to say. Maybe Shaq’s been sick for a long time and this is just the culmination, the shark-fin above the water that we’re seeing too late to stop. Maybe we’re all sick for calling his bluff.

Why would you post what you felt was the dumbest chart in the greatest covid thread? Why is the chart dumb?

The nuisance was that some covid variants presented in different ways - according to the millions testing positive and self-reporting their symptoms at the time, anyway.

To make fun of you.

It’s a mystery.

edit: people this is sarcasm, churchill wasn’t made fun of. The NYT was.

And you’re a Dr? I think I know why the US health system is a tad third world. Are you are attentive to questions from patients? Q seemed reasonable IMO.

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Because doctors sometimes make fun of people saying stupid shit online? I don’t think that’s the reason churchill.

Dumb study

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(22)00822-1/fulltext

These data suggest that COVID vaccine hesitancy is associated with significant increased risks of a traffic crash. An awareness of these risks might help to encourage more COVID vaccination.

Seems utterly reasonable, and it’s interesting to see how people who can’t properly estimate risk have similar behavior regarding covid vaccinations and driving, both of which can cause harm to themselves and others. Maybe you should ask Nurse Dr John’s fan group about their other risky personal behaviors.

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great idea, not thought of that…

good breakdown of the issues of the study from Dr John…

Unvaccinated in Canada could not use, planes, trains, buses https://www.forbes.com/sites/sandrama… Also https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/wp-co… Vaccinated more likely to work remotely in Ontario in 2021 ‘Essential workers’ had lower vaccination rates (several pile ups in ice and bad weather) Over 65s do not commute So Staying at home reduces the chances of being in an accident Invalid title Patient in emergency department as a driver, passenger, or pedestrian (codes V00-V69) Total = 6,682 Drivers, 2,856 Passengers, 1,189 Pedestrians, 2,637 (Table 3 of the study) (Therefore, unvaccinated pedestrians more likely to be in an accidents that vaccinated pedestrians) People were considered unvaccinated for the first 14 days after vaccination Given the study only lasted a month, this is half of the time. So how many casualties were misclassified? If 602 of the 6,682 were misclassified, Any difference between the two groups would vanish (Igor Chudov) https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/the… Deaths at Scene Excluded 42 deaths at scene 8 deaths were included (550 people were actually admitted to hospital) Therefore 84% of death outcomes ignored This also excluded all sudden deaths that resulted in an accident What about people not in the system Dr Clare Craig https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/st… Unvaccinated typically underestimated Therefore Rate of incidence of anything overestimated in the unvaccinated Rate of incidence of anything underestimated in the vaccinated E.g. Covid cases, hospitalisations, deaths, car accidents Or indeed, anything else Forest plot In all subgroups the risk is increased by the same amount (possible systematic bias) Source data not available to public The study dataset is held securely in coded form at the Institute for Clinical Evaluative Sciences (ICES).

If you want to format that into something somewhat readable, I might read it.

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I could screenshot it but may get banned (again)

Oh god churchill this guy is a fucking moron and you’re still watching his bullshit?

Vaccines were available for a long time before the study period.

So how many casualties were misclassified? If 602 of the 6,682 were misclassified, Any difference between the two groups would vanish

lol some really fucking amazing analysis here. If things were completely different, it would be different!

Unvaccinated typically underestimated Therefore Rate of incidence of anything overestimated in the unvaccinated

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Igor Chudov, another anti-vaxxer ! Clare Craig, another anti vaxxer!

Just complete and utter fucking garbage churchill, welcome back to the thread. We need the viewpoints of anti-vaccine clowns posted here.

come on now

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72% more likely to die in a car crash if unvaccinated?

The vaccine is damn good, I wouldn’t have had 4 otherwise, good to know it’s a miracle worker too.

Funny, I knew you’d defend that study - but that’s the only study i ever posted that you didn’t attempt to rip apart. Pure Disney stuff and you couldn’t find a hole in it? I don’t believe in Santa either (these days) but I’m all ears.

Some recent hits from Craig (either hers, or her retweets):

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1604871505321807877?cxt=HHwWisDSjbKI08UsAAAA

https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1604779115470639105?cxt=HHwWgsC-icyGqcUsAAAA

https://twitter.com/dchomecoming/status/1604651656209043456?cxt=HHwWgMCoyb6L78QsAAAA

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1604781383049777152?cxt=HHwWgMC87cqKqsUsAAAA

https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1604774804279775232?cxt=HHwWgMC-mdOLp8UsAAAA

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Oh my fucking god you don’t understand how this shows correlation, not causation. I honestly had the thought “maybe churchill doesn’t understand how this is clearly a paper showing correlation” and thought “no way, they mention in the paper a bazillion times it’s an association and specifically posit how it might be related to risk taking behaviors in general”.

That’s on me for overestimating you Churchill. My bad. You never read the paper did you, and only watched the Nurse John video huh?

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Are you typing this from the bunkers of the Ukraine? They must be getting short of ‘real’ doctors out there by now.