I’m grunching. And I assume I’m late for this pile on. But what the actual fuck. You think “how police handle rape accusations” is in the positive column???
no, i’m still getting caught up in the abolish the police thread. take it there if you want. it seems like my exchange here tonight already played out in that thread 3 days ago.
i got to the end of the abolish the police thread. i still have no idea who i would call when someone is shooting people at the mall. well, at least i’m not the only one.
The UK has armed police in every big city who do very little accept wait around to be called for actual emergencies.
2A activists, ldo
Sounds fine. Scale of arming should depend on what they’re called for. But that’s not what most people think when they hear calls to defund and/or abolish. That sounds to me like a pretty reasonable reform.
I’d keep some foot patrols in cities armed with like whistles and walkie talkies who’s main job is to be friendly, get to know their community, help old ladies cross the street, maybe make sure parks are well maintained, shit like that.
Rotate jobs so that you don’t attract Jack Bauer wannabes.
Right, we would be replacing the police with white militias. That sounds quite worse.
How can the status quo be worse than the status quo?
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Hypothetical:
You can abolish* the police, but only pass token gun control legislation. Are you still abolishing the police?
*Disband all police officers, resource officers, and public security guards without planning to immediately reorganize public safety.
So prosecutors will now take complaints directly from victims? Or?
I don’t fear a train wreck or anything. It’s just a weird space to occupy.
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How about mandatory steroid training for some of these goons? Can’t some of this be roid rage?
And that’s all they should ever need. Back then it was just a standard issue revolver, a billy club, and cuffs. Get them back down to that and I’ll happily take it!
Seems like they need rubber bullets and tear gas taken away now. Also knees, arms, handcuffs, vehicles, and billy clubs.
just jumping in this thread…Some friends and I were brainstorming better was to frame this issue…can we start calling for “community reinvestment” or other positive language about where the money will go rather than “defund the police”? I feel like the former is a better description of what we’re actually looking to do.
Talking constantly about where the money is spent rather than where we’re taking it from might be a better tactic.
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One thing we should be looking to do is create a confrontational framing that seeks to shift public opinion against the police as currently constituted.
I posted about this earlier today in the main Floyd thread:
There is a bit of discussion following that you can look through. Apparently this is a more controversial idea than I thought it would have been.
Let’s check in on how “defund the police” does as a slogan.
What about the actual aims behind defunding the police, at least for those people ITT who think “abolishing the police” means removing handling social problems from the purview of police?
Currently, police in much of the U.S. are the ones responding to overdoses, homelessness, suicide attempts, and other social-welfare calls. When the Minneapolis City Council examined the city’s 911 logs, for example, it found most really required the fire department, EMTs, or mental-health professionals… The notion of taking these responsibilities away from law enforcement is gaining traction: According to a June 2020 poll from Data for Progress, nearly 70% of voters support creating a non-police agency of first responders to address situations involving mental health issues or substance abuse.
The clear and positive idea “remove responsibilities from police and give them to a new group” polls super well, “defund the police” polls disastrously. Who could have predicted.
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To clarify, when I said “more controversial”, I meant more controversial on Unstuck.
Yeah I realise, I read the other thread, I just don’t know how it’s not obvious to everyone that “abolish the police” and “defund the police” are bad slogans for what you want to accomplish. Nobody knows what the hell they mean and they sound scary.
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