Abolishing landlords -- it's well past time

Nope.

There are two separate points about whether or not it’s immoral. Some people just have the take that earning money with money is immoral and thus investing in any company is immoral. I don’t agree with that - not in all cases anyway. I think investing in companies that do immoral things is immoral though.

Habitual liars can take nothing on faith, I’ve found. And studies show conspiracy theorists are more likely to regard conspiratorial actions as reasonable or necessary, nicely exhibited by the Flat Earthers covering up the distressingly round experiment results and pretending everything was cool in that Netflix doc.

This is probably the best post of the entire thread as far as reasoning goes.

Still, the mechanism that landlords have in place to mitigate risk of non-payment is late fees, non-payment notices, and evictions, but those tools have been taken away.

If they knew going in that they might be buying a building where nobody pays rent and they weren’t allowed to kick those people out, we’d be having a different discussion.

“If they researched their investment”, you mean. Depending on who you listen to, as many as a third of Irish landlords are trying to exit the market. Boring to explain, but this was most of their problem, too. Sympathy levels sub-zero and only apt to fall.

again, why are landlords any different than any other investor who failed to do their due diligence and consider the risks of a pandemic?

They aren’t?

Why are renters different from anyone else who signs a contract promising to pay for a service they receive. Its fine for them to stop paying and continue to live in the place?

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What a ridiculous statement to make after I give you props for the first one.

The risk we’re talking about here is non-payment and the remedy is eviction. No landlord is going to bake, “What if one day the government just decides that I’m no longer allowed to evict people” into their decision making process. Who would’ve ever thought that to be a possibility?

You should and you should also plan for much worse possibilities.

Okay, well while you’re hiding under a mattress in your basement, the rest of us will live our lives.

Landlords purchase insurance policies for other “Act of God” type events and the government simply suspending the breach provisions in possibly the most common type of private contract in the country wasn’t one of them. That includes the insurance companies themselves, who were quick to contact everyone to say that the Government has gone mad and none of this is covered, so don’t ask.

Yes, let’s make this crystal clear.

The necessary mechanism for landlords to extract these unearned absentee profits is violence.

It’s all just a protection racket, flat out, full stop. All the rest about magically “creating” housing/etc is 100% bull-shit, and obvious bull-shit, and it’s only purpose is to distract from this reality.

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Right now, how many people are homeless because of evictions? How many of those are going to die, needlessly, from Covid? FYI: in the US today, about 1/3 of homeless are children.

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Approximately how many drugs are you taking right this very second?

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Lol

I actually think it would be great if there was a lot more public housing that was both available and not designed to simply be slum warehouses for the lower class.

There is no reason why increasing public housing should equal “private rental arrangements should be illegal.”

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I’m going to respectably suggest that discussions regarding housing policy more belong in the “Abolish Landlords” thread -vs- in this thread.

I totally agree. I just don’t think socializing rental housing requires ending capitalism.

I do think phrasing it as “private rental agreements should be illegal” though is a biased point of view. The status quo is not just that private rental agreements are legal, but that they are enforced by the state. The government is not hands off on the matter. They will come and shoot a tenant if they don’t pay their rent and won’t leave.

I’ve done both. Way more people could do landlording than construction work. This is quite insulting to construction work, which is absolutely towards the higher end of skilled work. Yeah, just about anyone physically capable of hauling dirt for 8 hours (not many people) could do something on a construction site, but that’s a small part of construction and building a house is more complicated than landlording by a lot.

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no it would be like a thread of abolishing all the insurance companies. landlords are much more comparable to the insurance companies than doctors - take all the profit and provide nothing of value in return.

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I agree with this.

It doesn’t, unless you want to abolish all landlords, then it does.

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