Maybe he’s just taking back his stockpile?
I am against renting out the bedroom for the same reasons I’m against renting out the whole house. The fact that you can come up with a really wholesome sounding example where nobody is being explicitly an asshole to anyone
You call this a “really wholesome sounding example” because your a prior assumption is that most landlords are lazy, greedy assholes. That’s on you.
…doesn’t change my primary problem with the fact that we’ve structured our society around a housing system where everyone in a neighborhood pays basically the same amount for housing, but only those with stable lives and lots of cash on hand gain equity in the place where they live.
This is also untrue, unless you are referring to the tracts of suburban cookie-cutter homes built by the same contractor.
Also, you do realize that many people don’t want the hassle or financial responsibility of owning a home? The reason that it’s generally not financially smart to buy a single-family home to rent out is due to the fact that the market value rent doesn’t go far enough to pay all of the costs of owning and maintaining the home.
I guess it’s fine if you really believe that there shouldn’t be profit in the rental housing market, but singling out landlords versus anyone else who wants to make money offering needed goods and services seems pretty hypocritical, unless you believe that the entire economy should be solely state-driven.
I meant apples to apples. Everyone in a neighborhood is paying roughly the same for a 2BR 1BA townhome on a per square foot basis, whether they rent or buy. Renters pay a little more on a monthly basis and owners pay a lot more on a sporadic basis for repairs, but it’s roughly the same.
And of course there are ways to make the financial responsibilities of owning a home more manageable for people. If you’re talking about a co-op or land trust type situation, there are community based solutions to that as wel.
Also, how is the landlord-tenant relationship any more onerous than the mortgagee-mortgagor relationship? Abolish landlords so everyone can have a 30 year mortgage? lol?
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I get the first principles point that land should not be ownable. Forgetting that, if the point is that housing is a need, how is making a profit on selling groceries ok? Are grocers scumbags? Little mom and pop market?
Yes, no one should make money on anything at any point ever. I think that’s the whole point of this thread.
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Yea I would still like people who are anti landlord to say what other businesses they are or are not ok with. I have no gotcha or point. I just want to understand the position more. Some examples of businesses I am curious about for starters…
Farms
Grocery stores
Soap and hygiene products
Vitamins
OTC medications
Hotels
Casinos
Poker rooms
Should those exist, and if they should, should they exist on a for profit model as they do now?
And if the point is you should only make money on labor and never on money, then back to where I started itt and owning stocks is worse - far less involvement, responsibility, labor.
First, people aren’t anti-landlord in a personal kinda manner, which I think you are missing here. People are anti-Landlordism. Meaning, they are against the Rent System: where those who can’t buy are forced to pay orders of magnitude more for the same exact shelter, and that extra $$$ is extracted out as unearned absentee profits.
Once again, being anti-Landlordism doesn’t mean being anti-shelter. Despite the lifelong drumbeat of propaganda claiming Landlordism “creates” shelter, the fact remains that construction workers built housing, Landlordism has nothing to do with building shelter, nothing at all.
Likewise farming. Being anti-sharecropping doesn’t mean you are anti-food. Despite what we have been trained to believe, the absentee owning class doesn’t “do” anything at all. They certainly don’t “create” food. Farmers grow food.
Ditto for all the other Qs on your stupid list. Maybe stop drinking their kool-aid is in order ???/?
These kinda questions never cease to amaze me.
I think the Red Sox should win the next World Series, if such happens. Shamefully other folks back the Yankees. Who’s right? Who cares? Bottom line: shoulds are like ice cream flavors, everyone gets to pick their favorites.
The relevant question is this: "Why should the renting class continue to tolerate Landlordism?"
We don’t have to tolerate it anymore. In fact, we have never had to. We have the power to overthrow Landlordism. We always have had this power. It’s as simple as 1,2,3… Education, Organization, Emancipation.
That’s clearly not true.
Most food is grown by the employees of “farmers”.
It’s far from clear that eliminating landlordism wouldn’t result in a lower supply of housing.
What do you mean by ‘existing’? You obviously don’t think anyone’s calling for the abolition of soap. Is it really puzzling to you that someone who favours the abolition of capitalism as a whole favours eliminating profit-maximisation from [insert economic activity]?
The line of questioning is a little spurious in any case. Factors behind the things on your list are involved in the irreplaceable provision of a good or service. If we want produce, we must have farmers. If we want groceries, we must have a system of distribution and a point of acquisition. Ditto soap, vitamins(?), medicines etc. No-one could say with a straight face “If we want housing, we must have landlords”. Landlords are not, not even arguably, necessary for the existence of housing in the way that farmers are for the existence of agriculture.
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You’re definitely right, you don’t have to tolerate landlordism. You can start a housing cooperative. Have at it. But I like renting from my landlord, what in the world do you have to abolish him for? Just start your housing cooperative. My landlord is certainly not going to do anything to stop you from doing so.
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I don’t know, but I think there are people itt who want to abolish landlords but not abolish capitalism. If you want to abolish capitalism, 'nuff said.
Yea that’s who I am getting at. If those people don’t exist in here then yea my questions don’t matter.
Not to be snippy but hence “in any case” in the second para.
Yes. I meant should a for profit model exist in those things. If everyone who is anti “landlordism” is just anti capitalism then none of it matters anyway. I dont need to ask the questions I have been.
Landlords aren’t even necessary for housing to operate on a profit model. Other way around, in fact.
I am not a smart man, can you explain a for profit model without landlords. We might have a different definition of landlord here or something.
Already exists in the form of banks issuing mortgages. The mortgage provider isn’t strictly a landlord in the sense that the mortgagee eventually acquires ownership.
Keeed has a point though. Landlords don’t prevent people from buying homes from construction workers. And I think someone suggested that rentals compete with sales and drive up prices, but in the real world, rentals lower the prices of homes for sale.