Abolish Prisons

Starting a new thread because I want to read what @PocketChads has to say here.

“Prisons are universities of crime, maintained by the state.”
― Peter Kropotkin, Russian And French Prison

“The prison population consists of heterogeneous elements; but, taking only those who are usually described as ‘the criminals’ proper, and of whom we have heard so much lately from Lombroso and his followers, what struck me most as regards them was that the prisons, which are considered as preventive of anti-social deeds, are exactly the institutions for breeding them. Every one knows that absence of education, dislike of regular work, physical incapability of sustained effort, misdirected love of adventure, gambling propensities, absence of energy, an untrained will, and carelessness about the happiness of others are the causes which bring this class of people before the courts. Now I was deeply impressed during my imprisonment by the fact that it is exactly these defects of human nature–each one of them–which the prison breeds in its inmates; and it is bound to breed them because it is a prison, and will breed them so long as it exists. ”
― Peter Kropotkin, Memoirs of a Revolutionist

The capitalists owned everything in the world, and everyone else was their slave. They owned all the land, all the houses, all the factories, and all the money. If anyone disobeyed them they could throw him into prison, or they could take his job away and starve him to death. When any ordinary person spoke to a capitalist he had to cringe and bow to him, and take off his cap and address him as ‘Sir’

George Orwell

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison.

Henry David Thoreau

“I am convinced that imprisonment is a way of pretending to solve the problem of crime. It does nothing for the victims of crime, but perpetuates the idea of retribution, thus maintaining the endless cycle of violence in our culture. It is a cruel and useless substitute for the elimination of those conditions–poverty, unemployment, homelessness, desperation, racism, greed–which are at the root of most punished crime. The crimes of the rich and powerful go mostly unpunished.

It must surely be a tribute to the resilience of the human spirit that even a small number of those men and women in the hell of the prison system survive it and hold on to their humanity.”
― Howard Zinn, You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History of Our Times

“…the court, as now constituted, would be meaningless without the jail which gives it its power. But if there is anything I have learned by being in jail, it is that prisons are wrong, simply and unqualifiedly wrong.”
― Barbara Deming, Prisons That Could Not Hold

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I don’t know if we can fully get away from prisons completely. For the most heinous of class 1 felonies, I feel like there has to be a prison.

But for the next class, next class is where things get complicated. We can follow people technologically more than ever.

Let me preface drug war is obvious complete bullshit, just using this as an example

But isn’t it so much better (ethically and fuck if you want to be capitalist, costwise) to force someone caught dealing drugs to just wear an ankle bracelet with a mic for a certain amount of time, than forcing them to serve a prison term.

Edit: In my ideal America there is just one small supermax prison, and no prisons beyond that

I certainly don’t necessarily disagree. Most crime can probably be handled without prison. But no prison and no death penalty I think means I’m killing you of you kill someone I love.

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I work with ex-prisoners. I have taught in a prison. There are many people in Irish prisons who shouldn’t be there (and our rate of incarceration is only about 1/10th that of the US, I think) but there are also very definitely people who need to be in prison. Here’s a case from yesterday: They guy will serve three and a half years. I think he should have gotten a lot longer.

He seems more like someone who should be in a psychiatric institution than a prison imo.

That probably applies to a lot of people.

Possibly, but I presume he was assessed and found to be bad rather than mad. Any sort of psychiatric institution that would be needed for the likes of him would probably have to resemble a prison anyway.

I don’t know the ins and outs of his case but if someone’s unable to control their behaviour that suggests to me mad not bad, and that it’s pointless imprisoning them without trying to address the source of their problems (maybe that will happen too, I don’t know) because they’re likely to repeat the behaviour some time.

So yes, psychiatric institutions serve some of the same purpose of confinement as prison, but in theory at least offer more hope of rehabilitation.

I taught a solar class for people who just got out of prison. My wife taught yoga in prison. (until covid - now something like 75% of people in that facility have had it.)

eta: In my experience the people were all cool, but it was probably selected for people who are cool. I don’t know how people ended up in my class. I never talked to people in class about why they were in prison. It was a very short class - people rotated through - solar was only one aspect, it was construction in general. Also, in the whether I’m being saintly or not deperatment, I was paid. My wife wasn’t.

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Yoga is very popular in Irish prisons. Education classes are actually pretty good for prisoners. They usually go from basic literacy to college level. The hard part is finding work when they get out. Ireland is far from the worst in this regards, but there are still dozens of obstacles. One of the worst, which seems to have been imported from US companies operating here, is the ‘Tick the box’ question on job application forms where people are asked if they’ve ever been convicted of a criminal offence.

I’ve worked with hundreds of ex-prisoners. I don’t think I’ve ever been around one who made me feel very uneasy. But I’m a guy. I might not feel the same being around someone convicted of rape if I was a woman.

Yes, absolutely.

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I think this is another good perspective or framing of the issue. Similar to how “Military Industrial Complex” is used to encompass a broader issue.

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Prisons are only a symptom of the problem. As long as we continue to Otherize those we’ve branded with the lifelong label “Criminal,” we’ll continue to consign huge swathes of our population (particularly black and brown people) to a generational caste system from which escape is nearly impossible.

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The thing that frustrates me the absolute most about the criminal justice system is the horrible irony that it does almost nothing to curb the activity of actual professional criminals. Cops are in the business of enforcing easy to catch lawbreakers… which generally means normies fucking up and stepping outside the lines for a second (even if it’s way outside the lines).

Meanwhile there are people who make a good living stealing, doing fraud, and doing literally hundreds of different profitable criminal activities who rarely if ever get caught because they aren’t easy to catch and cops can’t be bothered to go to that much effort when they have a quota to meet.

Don’t get me wrong there are worse things about it… but the fact that the entire thing is a fraud seriously bugs me. If it was ‘we protect you from the bad stuff but we break some things’ like they claim it is I could at least think about it seriously, but that’s not what it even is.

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Rename them Rehabilitation Centers

Bam! Prisons abolished!

Narrator: Ligon died the next day. His last words were carved into the wall.

“Ligon was here”

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Here’s a step in the right direction.

Local elections matter. SD County flipped blue in 2020 and it’s paying off.

https://twitter.com/SDuncovered/status/1367200118630354945?s=20

Somehow she even got my deplorable old white man republican supervisor to vote for this.

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Sharing a letter I first read a decade ago, that really struck a nerve with me, written by a man sentenced to death at the beginning of a hunger strike.

I think about him and our shared desired to do something righteous with our lives whenever I hear that word.

https://www.keithlamar.org/copy-of-article-crime-and-punishment-1

https://mobile.twitter.com/foxydads/status/1369306190530895881

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Well worth reading.