This is drivel and unresponsive.
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There was no vote about a perma ban. To say you temp’d him later for something else is nonsense and doesn’t excuse your decision. And to blather on about taking stuff out of context and gaslighting is quite hypocritical.
I tell you what Cuse, I don’t want to be around this nonsense. You’re an admin and you can run this however you want, but if you think his 48 hr you just gave him is warranted I want you to perma my account. Hell, I’d actually prefer that you delete everything to do with my account.
If you read Cuse’s first post ITT it strongly implies a permaban, so fair to assume those responding to a poll ITT were doing so in the context of a permaban.
Let’s have another poll as to whether people interpreted the original poll to call for a permaban, a 24hr ban or something in between.
Cuse, The salient facts are not in dispute. You chose to act on you personal judgment wrt NBZ’s “violent rhetoric” posts (body of work) and have stated repeatedly that you will continue to do so as long as you are a mod.
Others have voiced displeasure at this stance since it seems inconsistent with “community modding” and, based upon some imperfect polling of the membership, the views of many of the members (a majority if I remember correctly).
Now it has sunk to unproductive name-calling between the parties. My suggestion is for everyone to take a breath.
JT and others have started the long-overdue process of formalizing a set of forum rules which, presumably, will lead to/tie into moderation protocols.
Personally, I think Cuse should temporarily set aside his stance on “violent rhetoric” (when it comes to modding decisions) until there is further clarification from the Rules/Moderation committee.
Or NotBruce could stop trolling the community with violent rhetoric until the rules are finalized?
You guys treat him like Rs treat Trump, a child who is completely unable to control himself and thus is not responsible for his actions.
This most recent ban was for doxxing, though
Your dumps take just a couple of minutes? Lucky. I thought my kidney fell out during my last dump posting spree.
How much longer will NBZ be peppered with toothless temp bans before somebody makes a firm decision?
I obviously disagree about the latest temp ban, and if you think I should be demodded you’re welcome to start a poll and try. I’d actually be less offended by that than by all the name calling. As far as I’m concerned, if the community wants to allow that kind of stuff I don’t belong as a mod. As long as I’m a mod, I won’t allow it. It’s easy enough to remove me or to make rules that clearly allow it, so I see no issue with what I’m doing. Morally my two options are to enforce that line or not be a mod. I’m fine with either.
Feel free to keep calling me names, because I’m a pretty lax mod and I tend to only step in on run of the mill name-calling when it’s flagged by others. I also think that there should be more leeway to attack mods since they have more authority. But to be clear, if you directed this at anyone else and it got flagged, you’d be getting it deleted and getting a PM asking you to follow the rules.
And you can report as many of my “Fuck yous” as you want, and other mods are free to punish me for it, but as long as you’re going to come at me first, I think it’s laughable that you call my “fuck you” responses abusive.
I’ve said repeatedly that if the community decides to set the line to allow this type of posting I’d just step down as a mod/admin, so it would matter. Also I don’t run this site, I don’t own this site, and I’m not the sole arbiter of what’s allowed. There are several mods, zikzak is really the one running it, possibly ggoreo too, I’m not even sure who all is doing stuff on the back end. I’m basically an honorary admin at this point due to starting Exiled, and I’m one of a handful of mods. So when you go all “You’re a dictatorial fascist,” on me, you’re just poiorly informed.
I’m genuinely sorry to hear about this, whatever it is, and I hope all is well. I doubt I’m the person you’d want to talk to about anything going on, given our interactions lately, but feel free to reach out if you do need to talk and we can ignore all this - or I’m sure others in the community would be good listeners, too, if you’re still going through something.
He didn’t say he should be made uncomfortable, in the context of the post he was clearly advocating for violence.
This is false.
The post was not at all ambiguous.
This. I do tend to agree that it’s best to leave out the stuff about being on the spectrum, although I understand the point you’re trying to make - it could better be made differently.
He clearly wasn’t intending to make fun of autism, even though I think bringing it into this is a mistake.
Have you even read the whole thread? I called for a permaban, people were like “Nah, that’s not warranted and he’s a good poster otherwise,” and some people were supportive of the idea of a series of escalating temp bans and asked NBZ to tone it down.
So then, I took the input and did NOT permaban him and DID temp ban him. So I literally took the input from others, adjusted and moved forward.
This isn’t getting enough attention either. On arrival, he predicted that he’d be banned within a few months (did he say six?) and admitted he’d been banned before on 2p2.
I solicited feedback and took it into account and did not permaban NBZ, and did issue a couple of progessively worse temp bans.
Thanks.
Or, another option, people could try to have me demodded, it would be easy to do because the community would probably expect at least a 2/3 threshold to keep the position, and if even 1/3 agreed that I should be demodded, I’d be demodded.
The fact that nobody is trying means either they know they don’t have the votes for it or they would rather be dramatic about it and not actually do anything, because ultimately they enjoy the drama more than they care.
Thanks.
Yep.
He’s getting a series of escalating bans if he keeps it up. Sooner or later either he’ll stop, he’ll get very long bans or I’ll get demodded… or we’ll finalize and vote on some rules that make it clear what we stand for, and I’ll either mod accordingly or resign if I can’t do so given my views.
I’m pretty sure I actually haven’t acted against the results of any poll, but keep beating that drum.
Yeah, that’s not quite what happened. But it’s a cool story, Jbro.
I got a laugh out of this, but I’m not sure the NFL’s officiating model is the one we want to follow! Some sort of an appeal process is fine, though.
I think he should PM Mat or Mason, and see how that works out for him.
My bad, I called or a perma ban, the support wasn’t there, so I took in the input and acted accordingly. I guess there was originally no poll. Which, actually improves my position here.
So your suggesting that if a user starts a poll about whether a poster should be banned for posting X and Y, and the response is no, that a mod can never temp ban that user for posting Z?
Are you on Trump’s legal team? Sounds similar to an argument we heard in federal court the other day…
This is ridiculous. Feel free to PM any of the other mods with this request, and if they do it, then fine. I’m not doing it, and I don’t think it would be appropriate for me to start nuking accounts of people disagreeing with me.
Nice try, though.
That is correct. However, I did take community input at the beginning of this thread by not permabanning him and issuing warnings and temp bans instead.
I don’t dispute this, although there has been nothing done to “community mod” in this case, nor have I violated any polls that I know of - even if I didn’t start them myself. There has never been a process to have polls before temp banning someone, to my knowledge.
I don’t think it’s clear at all what the majority of the membership thinks about this overall, or about the specific temp bans. A small but very vocal group thinks I’m a fascist dictator, a small vocal group thinks I’m doing the right thing, and about 280 people haven’t weighed in very much.
I agree, and while it may be considered inappropriate for an authority figure to tell others to fuck off, I do want to note that the vast majority of any abusive posting has been directed at me and most of my “fuck off” stuff has been in response.
I cannot do this. Morally I’m not going to allow violent rhetoric while I have the power to stop it. My stance on this is non-negotiable. I can not be a mod, or I can draw the line on violent rhetoric, I can’t let it go. If the community feels strongly about it, I take no offense to being demodded.
Hell of an idea here!
For the suggestion of, essentially, doxxing. He called for information about the umpire’s future locations to be released, along with videos that would incite people to action, in response to a post hoping the umpire had an “accident.”
Wow that was a lot of multiquotes. I think I responded to everything essential, though.
No, I’m not interested in playing survivor with you. You’re chasing ghosts with your latest ban and I’m done with it. I can’t find a way to delete my account or I’d do it myself. I’m not asking you I’m telling you to to permaban me, or I can just start linking donkey porn.
This is information you can get from MLB’s website, are they doxxing their own employees?
You also had a much different opinion about things like this when it was Mason’s site
Mitch McConnell can run roughshod over democratic norms, but don’t you dare interrupt his meal in a restaurant you heathen! Sarah Huckabee Sanders can lie to the American people and defend a white supremacist regime but don’t you dare shout at her on the street you monster!!!
Rob Drake can threaten to buy an AR-15 to start a “cival” war but don’t you dare talk about posting his publicly posted schedule online.
Sir this is a community run site, and I’ve been strongly encouraged not to permaban anyone unilaterally or based simply on a small number of people’s opinions. So I guess you could start a poll and see how much support you can get.
Also I actually don’t think an account can be nuked with more than 15 posts. It can only be perma’d or deactivated. Your best option is to reach out to zikzak and see what he says about which option is best, and to see if he’ll do it.
It doesn’t mean you repackage it and redistribute it in a way that is designed to make someone help him “have an accident.”
I’m literally on the record on this today saying that harassing him, heckling him, protesting him, etc is totally fine. You’re very much mischaracterizing the context of NBZ’s post. He was responding to someone calling for this ump to have an “accident” then, dripping with sarcasm, said he wouldn’t want that to happen but hey maybe it’d be a good idea if fans knew where he was, where he ate, that he had made some bad calls that hurt their team, etc…
It doesn’t take a brilliant thinker to realize what NBZ was calling for.
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Then why didn’t you just say it was another call to violence instead of deciding to go with doxxing?
All these temp bans do fuck all. You really think the fourth temp ban is gonna be the wake up call that makes somebody change their ways?
I was standing by you earlier because I believe that your judgments are made with the community’s interest in mind. But if you’re unwilling to make one at all, then I might have made a mistake.
Either put NBZ out of his misery or don’t. Any decision you make here will lead to outrage from some but as a leader here, you have to suck it up. At this point, I really don’t care which choice you make. Dragging this out further is completely unnecessary and only stirs up more drama which will lead to even greater outrage later on when you eventually do something final.
That poll doesn’t even pose the question we are arguing about. The second comment alone was 62/38 against ban. What’s the number if we run it as body of work and future posting?
I appreciate Cuse being as patient as he has been during this fiasco.
There is just a huge gulf (disconnect) between what I think is proper modding of a politics forum and what Cuse thinks. To respond to a post about a MLB umpire saying he’d buy an assault rifle and call for a civil war if Trump is impeached by mentioning that the umpire’s schedule can be publicized and hoping he doesn’t have an accident seems well within bounds if you ask me. MLB umpire’s schedules are publicly available on various websites. So there is no hint of “doxxing” (that claim is ludicrous). The umpire said he would buy an assault rifle and start a civil war. What do you think he meant by that??
I honestly cannot imagine giving out a 48-hour temp-ban for such a post in a politics forum. Though I understand (but reject) the “body of work” rationale given.
Anyway, it seems like I just doubled-down on my position, so maybe I’m part of the problem!
P.S. Maybe I should be clearer on one issue. I believe it is best modding practices to mete out ever-longer temp-bans (if temp-bans are warranted) for subsequent violations by a single poster. However, it is NOT appropriate to apply different standards to posters who have been previously temp-banned. The “line” is the same for everyone, but the penalty for crossing that line can be different based upon prior offenses.
It has begun.