Maybe an idiot with an audience who has been subjected to nothing but right wing nonsense for years because no one else will talk to him is a breeding ground for becoming a partisan hack.
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Bernie was a cross party phenomenon before Rogan because he had very strong personal ideals about his country and he spoke it from a personal level with validity and anger. It worked for him. It worked for republicans. Rogan very likely accentuated Bernieâs approach to some degree.
But it isnât about that because in this game, you donât lose points when someone decides that they hate you more. you need to build attention, sometimes recklessly, to get turnout, but more importatnly, to gain personal connections.
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Of course thatâs right. Itâs pretty obvious that being honest or correct or good is not rewarded in politics.
Agree with that. That hard part is building a brand that people like, the endorsements come after that. Feel like weâre focusing on a Rogan appearance and not what got most of us interested in Sanders in the first place.
I appreciate rogan because heâs a great litmus test on people I dont know that well, if they listen to him religiously I immediately know I donât have to take anything they say seriously again.
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Exactly. Rogan is emblematic of the various groups that Democrats have written off.
How many times even on this forum have we seen people write off groups as a waste of time because theyâre hopeless deplorables or already obviously going to vote Trump or whatever? How many purity tests? This is a really bad habit on the left.
It seems to me many Democrats have assumed they can get by with their coalition â women, minorities, technocrats, academics, etc â and so they simply didnât try to win over other types of voters. And now itâs biting them in the ass as things have changed.
Young men are such a perfect example of this. Thereâs no reason why they were destined to be Republicans. But Democrats ignored them.
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I think one thing that needs to be considered (and I could be off on this based on how much of the rights info comes from the internet) is that the media messaging when it comes to Ukraine funding sucks.
What percentage of people who say something like âWe spent hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine instead od helping our countryâ think that we actually sent physical cash to Ukraine and not that the majority of the aid was in things like decomissioned military equipment?
Thatâs cause there arenât any big democrats in the podcast/youtube sphere. There are some leftist types who will get mad at you if you donât call whatâs happening in Gaza a genocide or that trans women shouldnât play womenâs sports. Thereâs a million right wing podcasts from âmoderateâ to right wing nazis that all make millions and they all believe the same thing. That America is a conservative christian white country and you should always vote republicans.
Iâm obv overstating the importance of Kamala going specifically on rogan. My argument is that I think Kamala needed to get of her comfort zone and rile things up a lot more than she did - and that involves walking into enemy venues. But a lot of dems seems to disagree, especially those in charge of Kamala, and it doesnât make any sense from my point of view. It seems that both the pac and from some posters in this thread that they think itâs just too risky.
If someone canât handle an hostile interview how are they going to handle hostile foreign leaders?
exactlyâŚour leftwing streamers and the right wing derposphere have something in commonâŚthey both attack Democrats.
Iâm not talking about getting podcasts and streamers going who talk about candidates and campaigns. Iâm talking about getting podcasts and streamers who talk about sports or video games or comic book movies who justâŚarenât misogynist assholes. The rest flows from that.
I feel like Democrats are the party that tells people to wear seat belts and that you shouldnât bet all your money on sports. People donât want to hear that shit. This is America!
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I think the polls, which turned out to be a mirage, led people to be less risk adverse in regards to campaign strategy than they should have been.
Anyways, the DNC anointed Kamala as the democratic candidate, a candidate no one really wanted and the only things going for her was that she wasnât Sleepy Joe and as the Vice President she was the easiest option on short notice. Voters werenât excited to go to the polls to vote for her. Shocking.
The GOP is smart enough to run the candidate their base wants unlike the dumb dems.
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Yeah this is what I meant by the Democrats deciding they didnât want to be a left-wing party. The values and opinions of the working class are not welcome at all in the Dem coalition, they have been very clear about that. Putting a Biden mask on helped in 2020, but it doesnât fix the fundamental rot.
I wrote this in 2021:
Iâm more and more convinced weâre going to see a realignment where the Democrats become an aristocratic party like the Tories, with a sort of noblesse oblige attitude towards social and environmental issues, and the Republicans become a populist-right, fascist-adjacent party in the vein of the National Front, probably more detached from reality though.
I think you can see more and more of this in the GOP. J.D. Vance is more or less explicitly a National Front guy, you know, ethno-nationalism, religion, âfamily valuesâ centric, at least pays lip service to the corrosive effects of capitalism. The big talking points of the Trump campaign were an immigration crackdown and doing protectionism. The problem is that the sort of voters the Dems expected them to have to alienate to make this shift - guys like Dick Cheney - for the most part donât seem to be going anywhere. The result is that the GOP is simply expanding its coalition while cracks start to appear in the straining Dem coalition. The idea that theyâre going to solve this by tacking back left seems like a fantasy. Their brand is poisonous among non college educated people.
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There are people like that, they just arent overt in their leftism
Northernlion is one of the largest video game streamers in the world and has a noticeably leftward bent, but he rarely talks about his politics. Hes just a decent dude playing vgs.
The nazi vg streamers on the other hand, that is all they fucking talk about. All day long
Also how can you compellingly talk about the Democratic party/platform/politicians for days on end? You canât its some combination of an empty vessel and a fraud.
The only good left wing pods rip the Dems(rightfully) to shreds. No one likes Democrats they have positioned themselves horribly.
theyâll just find an even dumber piece of shit to replace him
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Yea the left leaning streamers usually have some sort of no politics rule because they know a large number of their viewers are right wingers and donât want to deal with it.
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