Chronic vs acute. Both horrible. No need to rank.
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But sir, this is a message board for pedants. I’m not sure I understand this “no need to rank” crazy talk.
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I don’t think we really know what actually happened, right? If he had the thing where you heart goes haywire when you get hit mid-beat with a hockey puck then yeah that might have a 57% survival rate for normal people but not with 10 doctors standing on the sideline ready to spring into action. But the longer that goes by where we don’t hear what happened the less likely this is the case because once they get the heart pumping after that he should basically be fine, right? I don’t know.
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Canada Matt said that worse has happened before and more frequently. If Hamlin dies then yeah this is worse than Junior Seau being driven to suicide at age 43 by his crippling and life-ruining CTE but not by that much. It’s the same ballpark. The point is that the NFL has been crippling players and cutting short lives for decades. And not having players die at 65 instead of 85, they’re killing young men in their prime. Seau was 43, Webster was 50 (and had been struggling for years), and Hernandez was 27 ffs.
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Let’s take the simplified case where you recover 100% if you survive. For what survival rate would you prefer what happened to Hamlin instead of the CTE you describe?
25%
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If you can wake up and follow commands after your heart starts beating again you will get the breathing tube out and go to the icu for monitoring. If you don’t wake up they are going to cool your body down to 33C for 12ish hours. You will remain sedated and on a ventilator during this time, then several hours to warm you back up, then wean sedation off and do another neurological assessment. Even if he can make a full recovery it may take his brain a few days to heal. If he remains comatose despite no sedation for a few days his chances of meaningful recovery drops dramatically.
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Fuck this guy. Absolutely fuck him in the ass with a broken piece of rusty rebar
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1610346757006794757?s=20&t=lcBTyQYPo7PVytT_b95WoQ
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Is brain damage a real possibility even with immediate and competent CPR having been given? Thanks for the information/perspective.
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Yes.
Saying Scott is “blaming” Higgins there is a huge exaggeration, Scott was saying that what Higgins did there is against the rules but the refs never make that call. He’s blaming the league for not enforcing what he’s saying is already illegal, using the helmet as a weapon on offense. And I’ll bet Scott is right that the league will be making that call in the future, and they probably should.
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Yeah it’s legit possible, people have witnessed cardiac arrests with immediate high quality cpr in hospital all the time. Even in hospital arrests have terrible neurologic outcomes. Granted they usually have a list of co-morbidities a mile long, but anytime your getting cpr for more than a couple minutes you risk serious complications.
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Bart Scott is a well known total POS. Worse than Skip, even, before this.
Ummm, when did Stephen A change his name to Bart? Did I miss something?
except Tee Higgins did not do what Scott said he did. He led with his shoulder. It was a completely standard play that happens probably 50 times every week.
So Scott lied in order to put heat onto Tee Higgins, who is already probably feeling like complete and total shit right now for something that is 100% not his fault.
But we all know (except for SK i guess) that Bart Scott allows his hatred for the Bengals to come across in his punditry, including encouraging a bounty on Joe Burrow last season.
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To be fair, Hernandez did his fair share of killing.
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Higgins definitely looked to aggressively bring the contact to the defender, which is absolutely within the rules and not dirty in any way. But, because he did forcibly initiate the contact, I’m certain he is feeling quite badly about what transpired and imo is absolutely worthy of sympathy. That his father had passed from a cardiac episode some months ago only adds to the bleh.
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Welcome future anon474748382885
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I was there! Very scary stuff.
From the replays I saw it was very tough to see if his head made contact or not, there wasn’t a whole lot of showing it in super slow motion like on most big plays. To me that doesn’t matter much because if his head didn’t make contact it very nearly did and it certainly could have. Once you lower you head like that it’s not like you have a great deal of control over if your head or shoulder makes contact, it’s inches either way.
And that the play happens 50 times a week is exactly Scott’s point: it happens 50 times a week because the offensive player lowering his head in preparation for contact never ever gets called. Where it does get called on defensive players pretty frequently and you see a lot less of the safeties flying in to make a vicious hit with his head lowered than 20 years ago in the now-memory-holed Jacked Up era. He’s not blaming Tee Higgins, he’s blaming the enforcement. Higgins lowered his head exactly because that’s never called. That’s calling attention to the league and the refs and how the rules are called, not the player.
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