2022 Midterm Elections (Abandon hope all ye who enter here) butnahhh. or maybe?

There are over 100K people living in Section 8 housing in Los Angeles County and over 500k in the state. The average rent is about $400 and it’s 30% of income, much of which is social security/welfare. I owned a building where one person’s rent was $8/month. Many/most of the people receiving vouchers, whether they live in public housing projects of private would be homeless without it. There is insufficient funding and long waiting lists, but it’s hardly like there are no solutions and this needs to be invented from nothing. And of course there are homeless people in many different situations, some of whom need more care.

And, the history of public housing in the US is a good one of having moved away from huge projects built though the 1960s that led to huge problems, to small projects integrated into communities - many of which people don’t even know are public housing and much of which includes private housing with subsidies.

And, of course this isn’t the only solution. There are more vacant units now than there are homeless people and it’s the law, not the lack of housing that keeps people homeless.

And, concentration camps are well past unacceptable.

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New York’s rent controlled apartments are also incredibly famous, but lots of people still like to live on NY even if they pay way more than the Lucky Ducks that have rent controlled apartments.

I think one of the problems is that Americans still view home ownership as a badge of middle class honor. And that’s fine as far as it goes but it’s a bit of an anachronistic view given the current ratio of house prices to middle class incomes. There probably should be way more government owned and subsidized housing but there should also be way fewer Americans who would think living there is a badge of failure.

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I’m not an expert on this topic but I am somewhat familiar with the LIHTC program where developers can get multi-year tax credits that are sold up front to pay for a portion of the construction cost. Units are then rented at affordable rents. This program seems to work OK, except it is funded evenly in every state - CA and SD get the same allocation. LOL America

For about a year I worked for a company that used Low Income Housing Tax Credits (as part of the financing) to buy and rehabilitate housing projects. The amount of credits they would get would depend on the percentage of units set aside for people at various percentages of median income. Some rents were just set at a percent of median rent and some people would get vouchers where they just paid 30% of their income.

I don’t know the details here on the source of funding, but the State wasn’t involved much at all. It was the federal, county and city governments. The counties are given block grants from the feds and I’m pretty sure those are tied to the needs and population of the counties.

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building in rural areas has more hidden costs, like its expensive to provide services there, with fewer option for transportation, healthcare, etc. i get your point about political and market costs of building in the middle of SF, there will always be some nonstarters. but forcing people out of an area as a side effect of housing policy or business development is one of the factors that brought about the crises. so making ‘others’ live somewhere esle is exactly nimbyism.

just realized that may come across as a dig at you. i’m sorry, i didn’t mean you are nimby. i meant that we should work out communities where people learn to live with different income levels in relative proximity. otherwise those who own property are just pushing out the problems onto someone else

That’s fair enough, but what’s happening in real life right now is that a handful of cities are hosting a disproportionate portion of the nations homeless… and every time they grow their services to try to counteract it those services draw in more homeless people desperate for help.

The reason I’m for centralization is that I think the services required to take care of these people simply do not exist right now… so inevitably we’re going to have to create new services out of whole cloth to take care of them. Additionally a lot of these people have really acute needs that can absolutely brutalize the resources of a city/county government since they don’t have enough cases like that to justify building a real way to help them and just bounce them around very expensive short term solutions designed for emergencies.

So for me it just comes down to how hard is it going to be to get done (gets easier going rural, these are the same type of communities that welcome prisons and casinos) how much money is it going to cost (the less it costs the nicer it can realistically be and the more people we can help), and basically just what’s the most efficient way to approach things.

Obviously going to these places has to be voluntary. One nice thing about the homeless population is that they are highly sensitive to where the best available conditions are and they migrate aggressively. If this place is actually a good thing for them they’ll use the heck out of it. Probably wouldn’t hurt to make all inbound greyhounds free either.

Interesting. This played out in a similar way when Melbourne set up “shooting galleries” where heroin addicts could get needles and a place to inject.

It was HUGE in the right wing media and on socials. But the locals were very much in favour.

Maybe. But my general rule on these things is to listen to people on the ground. The article I posted quotes heavily from a guy who actually lives in the Tenderloin and spends a lot of his day trying to help the addicts on the streets around him. He says the policies aren’t working.

After striking out in San Francisco, Laurie returned to Washington and soon got a critical call. Adam Mesnick, the owner of the Deli Board in the South of Market district, saw one of the flyers she had left behind and called Laurie. He knew Jessica from the neighborhood and worried that the posters meant she was dead.

He and Laurie continued to exchange calls and messages, bonding over their shared assessment of San Francisco’s failed response to its drug crisis — that its live-and-let-live attitude amounts to negligence and makes life far harder for people like Jessica.

Adam runs a controversial, in-your-face Twitter account called @bettersoma that shows the city’s drug crisis close up, angering some advocates who say he is insensitive and exploits homeless people. He argues that the tweets depict a reality that City Hall politicians and homeless advocates are unwilling to face. A recovering alcoholic himself, he said he wants more police presence, incarceration for dealers and far more treatment for people addicted to drugs. He doesn’t think the city’s focus on harm reduction is working.

Maybe this guy is wrong. But I’d bet my life savings he has more actual empathy for the people living on the street than some bureaucrat just throwing money at the problem and trying to be ideologically pure in doing so.

@Surf is another guy who’s opinion I take over just about anyone, since he actually works with people like Jessica and people with mental health issues. I know he doesn’t want to get dragged into this. But his take always seems a lot more grounded and reasonable to me, and it’s very often not the progressive ideal of what should work.

I saw first hand the results of some kind of healthy food initiative in LA public schools. One size-fits-all lunches for K-6. Kindergartners got a calzone, some kind of pear dessert, and a mixed green salad.

The dressing packet for the mixed green salad was the little plastic kind that even adults struggle with. But kindergartners were supposed to be able to get that open for their salad. I walked around and found one kid in the whole cafeteria nibbling on the salad. I’d love to track that kid over her whole life.

The calzone alone would easily have filled me up. Just the Kindergartners and first graders filled up two 55-gallon drums of uneaten food. That’s one lunch, for 1/3 of on elementary school in the second biggest school district in the country. The amount of food waste is mind-boggling.

I guess maybe I’m more annoyed at the execution than the idea. And maybe it’s the same with the harm reduction programs - good idea, terrible execution. But if your good idea is more likely than not the be executed terribly, it’s not a good idea.

The NYT daily podcast mentioned that Boudin made some pretty insensitive remarks after an elderly Asian man was beat to death in SF and that could have lost him the Asian community vote. Is there any truth to that?

Difficulty of kicking a drug and severity of physical withdrawal symptoms are definitely not at all the same thing. Nicotine is the obvious one where giving it up is actually pretty difficult even though serious withdrawal symptoms are nil, just some irritability and so on.

You are right, my wording implied the incident caused the backlash among the Asian community when in fact the increase in violence against Asian Americans over the past couple of years is what’s driving them towards different criminal justice approaches. The incident I mentioned seems to be something that brought that tension even further upfront, but not the root cause.

This is wrong. Suboxone is extremely effective at treating opiate withdrawal from fentanyl or anything else. It’s especially good at preventing overdoses as well

It’s harder sure. Treating with suboxone is still effective.

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https://twitter.com/theliamnissan/status/1536779021010276355

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I bet she gets invited to the cocaine orgies.

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Wow, she got introduced to Ted Cruz by a, uhhh, “client.” Then Cruz gave her $126,000 to run for Congress.

Some version of this coming soon?

Someone send up the @clovis8 signal so he can defend Boebert against being shamed.

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CruzSad

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Honestly if that’s even remotely true that’s an inspiring rags to riches story.

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That whole thing reads like someone’s fan fiction. The “Unlicensed” part tells me the author has no idea what they are talking about.

No idea if it’s true but I sure wouldn’t be using that document as proof.