This is a really fun watch.
Hey, if he didn’t resist the officer nothing would have happened to him, ldo.
I’m not jumping on you, Chris. But the sort of “how can we know for sure?” stuff is bad bad bad.
Tldr rant incoming
It’s an open fact that Uyghurs often cannot find hotel rooms to stay at in some Chinese cities and that getting one means, as a matter of policy, an interrogation from state security. This predates the camps by years. These policies have resulted in awkwardness for Airbnb’s operations in China in that postings would specifically say “no Uyghurs”.
The Uyghur diaspora outside China reported uniform accounts of receiving not-tremendously-vague threats from Xinjiang police towards their families back in XJ all throughout 2016 and 2017.
This is all occuring during what is the most nakedly authoritarian regime PRC has had since the death of Mao. There is absolutely no question that since Xi became leader and consolidated his rule that China’s once burgeoning civil society is dead. Journalists have had less room to report. Lawyers using the law to aid the disenfranchised? They have a 2 pm appointment for tea with a local state security agent to look forward to (this means prison).
And most importantly of all: THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT LITERALLY FUCKING CONCEDED THE CAMPS ARE REAL. They’re just, you know, good. And no you may not have a look inside them. Or outside.
Hell, most of the evidence comes straight from the Chinese government itself. The birthrates of Uyghurs et al have plummeted. (The tankie defense of this is literally “how can it be a genocide if the Uyghur population is larger than it was in 1978?”). The Chinese government’s been open about sending cadres to live inside the homes of Uyghur et al families and making sure they are sufficiently Chinese and don’t abstain from pork or alcohol.
I write all this to point out how divorced you have to be from any and all context of the situation in both Xinjiang and Han-dominated China over the past seven years or so to think that the camps and the overall crackdown aren’t about ending Uyghur culture from existing in future generations outside of what CCP deems convenient or sufficiently Chinese.
Oh yeah, they’re also bribing Uyghur women with money (open government policy) or bad-things-not-happening (Uyghur accounts) into marrying Han men.
Adrian Zenz may be a homophobic, right wing asshole, but even that doesn’t delegitimize his work, nor does it delegitimize the work of the less easily villainized individuals who’ve also contributed to understanding details of what is happening. It sure doesn’t make the entire Uyghur diaspora liars. (Why aren’t there any Uyghurs abroad shouting from rooftops for westerners to stop humiliating their people with lies?)
Do the US and other western governments (as entities) give a fuck about the plight of Uyghurs and Kazakhs in Xinjiang? Of course not! Trusting the US government (even Radio Free Asia) is entirely unnecessary to having no doubt on this matter.
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“Da Flame” carried on after “Blade” & “Freeze” left the trio.
If all I ever contribute to this forum is the sequence of my post being followed by Icy Hot Stuntazz I feel I have supported my weight.
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Damn that meme is 20 years old. Those kids are all middle-aged dudes now.
Hmmm. Apartheid was eventually brought down by multilateral boycotts that resulted in it becoming an international pariah. Admittedly China produces goods that are regarded as essential in huge volumes, so perhaps I’m being too hopeful.
There is absolutely no chance anything real will be done about the Uyghur situation except as pretext for doing something that party already wanted to do. That’s all it is, a pretext for doing hostile shit to China.
That’s not to say that anything in that @Mendoza isn’t true. They’re definitely doing genocide, there just isn’t anyone on planet earth with any real power who cares enough about the Uyghur situation to do anything about it.
I mean China literally made Hong Kong stop being a thing recently. That was something people absolutely did care about for major monetary/political reasons and nobody did anything. Nobody.
So yeah for a bunch of muslims in a developing world region getting genocided? I predict a whole lot of nothing ever being done about this.
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Well yes, it’s not like refusing to play Test cricket against China will have quite the same effect. And I also strongly suspect there’s a genocide in progress.
Posted by a Sensible Person, no less. 
First of all, if in fact the Uyghur genocide is a CIA concoction, it’s a bit like if the Chinese government created Covid to unleash on Americans recognizing how bad Trump would handle it…
Pretty amazing when the conspiracy you’ve been laying for years to get the entire Uyghur diaspora to lie about concentration camps and threats to their relatives in Xinjiang actually coincides with Uyghurs being sent to camps.
But secondly, as incompetent as the CIA is, I find it hard to believe they’d put all these resources into controlling the entire Uyghur diaspora just so the US has an excuse to boycott Xinjiang cotton.
Yeah, that ended up being a little incongruous, sorry. That’s what happens in these LC megathreads though.
Don’t apologize, I couldn’t stop laughing.
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If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear from the robot drones raining bombs down on us with impunity.
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I’m still trying to figure out a situation when a drone strike would be useful. Hostage situation? Car chase?
have you not seen robocop?
You know how they like to drive cars through crowds of BLM protestors? This is like that except it’s even better because it’s a disruptive technology. It’s Uber but for police brutality. They’re going to change the way we think about murdering innocent citizens. I look forward to the Ted Talk.
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