And by that I assume they’d include Finland, Sweden, and Norway.
My concern is that NATO cannot let Putin come out ahead from this. And he cannot come out behind. I don’t have any idea what the middle path is.
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i’m speculating by avatar, and also don’t remember seeing danby before. if a mod can clear up my confusion, please speak up
Fairly certain it’s not Keed.
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UN/NATO is going to have a ton of leverage at the end (both scenarios on nuclear strikes). they need to press to demilitarize russia. taking nukes away must be on the table.
i stand corrected
It’s a Loss but that’s the price to pay when Russia has all its guns firing at your cities. You don’t have a choice when you are in this position.
Fareed on CNN has been saying for years Xi xiping was elevating himself into the global world stage.
He’s been a total wimp so far in this Ukraine ordeal.
Thats not going to happen short of WW3
I think the end game is just a stalemate with Russia keeping the Eastern territories they took over/Crimea and Ukraine enters the EU/NATO. Putin stays in power.
we are at the whole of europe against russia, it looks like the early salvos of ww3.
again, putin has signaled numerous times over the last year that he is prepared to launch a nuclear strike.
This may come as a shock to many, but Trump lied. There has never been a Miss Universe from Ukraine.
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UN/NATO is going to have a ton of leverage at the end (both scenarios on nuclear strikes). they need to press to demilitarize russia. taking nukes away must be on the table.
You are talking about a full scale WW3 invasion of Russia where you need to both defeat them and hope they don’t press the button to end it all? That seems quite unlikely imo. I certainly wouldn’t be on board for that shit.
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I wasn’t well liked on twoplustwo politics by the regulars there. If a mod wants to do IP swipe and doxx my twoplustwo identity than fine. Don’t really care.
I’d rather start fresh here.
I am not senor keed.
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putin is done. i wouldn’t be surprised if he was dead in a week, nor would i be surprised if deposing him takes a year.
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How does a peace agreement even work here. Putin gets some territory and says ok I will stop invading. And then he just bides time, reloads and replenishes, and invades at some future point, no?
What is the Russian power structure like? He has been in absolute power for so long, it just seems like getting rid of him would be quite hard.
As long as you’re not a currently banned poster or a tankie in disguise it doesn’t matter to me who you were/are.
Wookie gave me an infraction one time 10 years ago, thats it. Never been banned here either.
Ukraine maybe?
But honestly, Turkey or Macedonia should probably snap accept that proposal to get the hell out of the Italy/Portugal stacked group.
by the time negotiations happen, ukrainian forces are going to be able to take donbass back. i’d love for them to take crimea too, in order to strengthen their negotiating position. they may not actually do it, but there’s little doubt they have the capability and the civilian reserve forces to counter like that.
Out of curiosity, has any of this made you reconsider living in Georgia for a while?