Ukraine LC Debates, Arguments and Terrible Memes

this is called manufacturing consent. Russia isnt communist btw.

yo victor maybe it’s a reference to the soviet era imperialism.

also manufacturing consent? yeah that doesn’t really apply to the country getting invaded.

The founding principle of NATO is a counter to soviet imperialism in Europe.

ok victor sure

Can you fuck off and take your standard spiel somewhere else? Thanks.

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Your source:

The postwar Allied Control Council duly dissolved the Wehrmacht on Aug. 20, 1946. Within a decade, however, the world would look considerably different. In 1949, with the onset of the Cold War, the Western Allies formed the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), with a unified military command structure. NATO’s primary mission was to deter an increasingly belligerent Soviet Union, which had liberated the countries of Eastern Europe only to occupy and enslave them as communist satellite states. By the mid-1950s NATO ground forces were vastly outnumbered in the heart of Europe. America, France and Britain begrudgingly concluded the only way they could restore some measure of military balance was to rearm their former German enemy, albeit under firm NATO operational control. Thus the Paris Accords of May 5, 1955, authorized the establishment of the Bundeswehr , the armed forces of the Federal Republic of Germany.

I see a bunch of posting and not a lot of fucking off.

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I genuinely thought you were sectioned to About Moderation?

Other way round. I was exiled from AM, but not since the mod who made that decision is no longer a mod, or at least it has not been enforced.

What does this

Have to do with burning books?

Just seems like more of your standard “America bad Soviet Union good” babble.

Also, FROM THE ARTICLE:

By the time he was transferred to the Western Front in April 1944, Speidel had seen enough of Germany’s barbaric and genocidal extermination policies in Russia to become a staunch anti-Nazi. He was convinced Hitler had to go before he destroyed what was left of an already crumbling Germany.

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Speidel already had strong connections with Carl Friedrich Goerdeler, the civilian leader of the anti-Nazi faction. Through StĂĽlpnagel, Speidel became one of the senior military members of the German opposition to Hitler. He was never an inner member of the cell led by Oberst Claus von Stauffenberg, but he knew of the Operation Valkyrie plot.

There’s more on this supposedly nazification of NATO, but in reality what happened is that Germany got something resembling an army back in the 1950s.

You’ll note this is very similar to Putin’s claims about Nazis in Ukraine. It’s a pretty interesting article tbh.

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@moderators intervention requested

Blatantly wrong on statement of fact? No problem, pivot to question of what should have happened instead. Great work, as always.

No, you didn’t. You contradicted the claim of stopping Soviet imperialism and instead said that “the founding principles of NATO was to make Europe full of right wing capitalists.”

It doesn’t take much of a contortion to interpret his view as making Europe safe for right-wing capitalists being an underlying principle behind the purpose of stopping Soviet imperialism.

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I see a difference between starting a war with Russia and creating circumstances that make Russia want to start a war with NATO or the US. Who fires the first shot matters.

Tbf, in 1920-1990 these are the same thing to the US.

Sure, but the goal was to protect Europe in general not just right wing capitalists. That assertion is garbage

The point of protecting Europe in general was protecting the investments of capitalists. You’re making distinction without a difference.

Pretending there was no care for the people of Western Europe is nonsense.