Ukraine Invasion 2: no more Black Sea fleet for you

And you will never convince me that you give two shits about the kidnapped children or the raped women or the tortured civilians in Ukraine.

There does not have to be a single motivation for arming the Ukrainians, and just like most complicated things, there almost certainly isn’t just one. But doing the right thing for many reasons, some of which you don’t like, is still doing the right thing.

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lol at an ICC indictment being any kind of big deal, come on.

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you are not killing them. putin and their commanders are killing them. quite literally. most of them have agency in going to a foreign sovereign country to fight combatants, but also loot and murder civilians, and incidentally get killed or captured.

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while virtually unprecedented, it is not really impactful in the way we think. Xi is supposed to visit moscow soon. now it’s kind of an embarrassing situation to go shake hands with an accused war criminal. putin went to meet head of tajikistan recently. now it’s a headache because tajikistan is a signatory to the icc and technically has to consider doing an arrest or come up with a reason not to.

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I think this is a much bigger deal than most people realize. Among other things, US isn’t a member of the ICC and the primary Russian talking point is that the US controls Europe via NATO to harm Russia. Well, now you have an institution with like 140 members charging the head of Russia.

There’s at least one guy who thinks it’s a big deal, and that’s Putin.

Oh noes, how will China ever recover.

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Xi embarrassed to shake hands with accused war criminals, you say?

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I think he’ll be fine with it

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Only according to some ethical theories. Some people believe that doing the right thing involves following principles regardless of outcome.

Maybe Keeed doesn’t care about the people of Ukraine, but it’s plausible that some with his beliefs on the war does care and this discussion is much more interesting if you assume that he does.

How would you discuss this with someone who is a pacifist and opposes all wars, including this one?

none are charged. not even trmp

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Masive problem when dumbasses like Wookie can call someone pro-genocide ITT, but your posts get moved if you point out his arguments are based on nasty shit he made up in his own head

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Confirmed

Only one of us offered quotes

Putin in Mariupol on a mission accomplished tour. I don’t know if defending it is worth it to Ukraine but Vlad would have loved to take Bakhmut before meeting with Xi.

lol imagine snipping those two sentence fragments out of this post as if they were contradictory. :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face:. Just counting on people not being able to read entire sentences and posts. Which, not a bad strategy I suppose.

I didn’t understand that response either.

It’s clear American interests, by your definition, are not served by helping poor Palestinians. Quite the contrary.

My point is America is responsible for the violence against the Palestinians and Yemenis. If we want to decrease violence and war we should stop perpetuating it.

Of course stopping violence and war isn’t and has never been an aim of US foreign policy.

Why should stopping war and violence be the goal of US foreign policy?