As always, the only entity with any agency or culpability is the US government in Keeedworld. Ukrainians wouldn’t be fighting but for a bunch of American guns appearing in their land. Russia wouldn’t invade but for America coaxing Ukraine into its orbit against its rational interest of not being invaded by Russia.
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Bullshit
Russia first fucking invaded during the Obama administration.
I still don’t understand how you think this:
is some sort of argument that anyone should take seriously. Or any sort of argument at all. If you don’t think I understand something about why Nuland and Biden and Blinken got us in this proxy war then say what it is.
I’m just saying they may be wrong, but I don’t think they’re crazy or irrational or part of some conspiracy to knowingly commit actions that they believe to be evil.
I didn’t say they’re crazy or irrational or part of some sort of evil conspiracy? Like what the fuck are you even talking about? You got me saying they’re crazy and irrational from this post?
Did you think that I wasn’t aware that Joe Biden and his foreign policy team don’t agree with me? I just think they’re wrong.
You’re the one who keeps telling us you don’t see how the US can benefit from helping the Ukrainians, despite having gotten multiple reasons on multiple occasions, so yes, it is reasonable to think you don’t understand why the Biden administration is helping the Ukrainians.
The general sense I get from your posting on this topic is that you seem to think the pro-war side is irrational from a rational choice perspective, acting for reasons other than what a cost-benefit analysis might dictate.
I agree with Mearsheimer that the US interventionism in the post cold war era has been remarkably foolish and destructive, both to US interests and to the welfare of the people to whom we’ve brought all of our wonderful freedoms and democracy throughout the world for the last thirty years. Were Vicky Nuland and Dick Cheney and the rest of the neocons irrational when they cooked up the Iraq war? Is “end of history” liberal interventionism irrational? I don’t know. I think it’s wrong, both morally and from a practical utilitarian standpoint. Even if we’re just considering the welfare of just Americans. Obviously even more so if we’re concerned with the welfare of Iraqis and Afghans and Syrians.
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I watch this German military youtuber from time to time, he’s generally pro-Ukrainian but tries to stay neutral in his analysis. His last video has some remarkable frontline footage; looks like WWI almost.
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Oh great!
Lukashenko heads an authoritarian government and has referred to himself as the “last dictator” in Europe.[7] Elections are not considered to be free and fair by international monitors, opponents of the regime are repressed, and the media is not free,
Which of these things do you think do not apply to Ukraine
I know all that. I don’t think the US should try to promote our wonderful democracy and freedom abroad. What system of government a country has should be left to the people in that country and the US should mind its own fucken business.
I understand this is a serious departure from post ww2 US foreign policy.
Feel free to read this and let me know
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I totally agree! For example if Ukraine really wants to join NATO and the EU they should be free to do so without being subject to an invasion.
Agree, just like Mexico should be allowed to join a future Chinese military alliance and Cuba should be allowed to base whatever foreign military systems it chooses to.
It sounds like I’m being snarky but I do actually think the world should ideally work this way. Of course it doesn’t, and recognizing that fact is called living in the real world. Should countries look at what sorts of consequences various actions might have and what reactions those actions might provoke? Opinions vary.
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“Various actions” is a really generous way to describe violently subverting another country’s democracy, focusing on the terrorizing and extrajudicial killing of one specific ethnicity, all of which NATO did to Ukraine
This is Putin propaganda, and obviously untrue.
Are you saying I’m not sympathetic enough to people who live under oppressive, genocidal regimes? As a response to my post criticizing an oppressive, genocidal regime?
Right and presumably you are against all the meddling that the US has done in Cuba’s affairs.