Ukraine Invasion 2: no more Black Sea fleet for you

Verifiably false, of course.

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1620081399150809090

https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1620591798149332992

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/18/ukraine-peace-talks-republican-biden-investigation

And of course, agreeing with NeoCons on a single issue does not make one “indistinguishable” from a neocon.

lol of course I wasn’t saying only Gaetz is literally the only one, but he and the fellow travelers you mentioned are the only ones who spring to mind who don’t have the neocon position on Ukraine. Massie too. Maybe that independent congressman from Michigan? Not sure.

The Freedom Caucus, as a group, upended McCarthy’s speakership bid until he gave them the power to recall him any time he does anything they don’t like.

Basically irrelevant!

But ok, Marge, thanks for your take.

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I didn’t say they were irrelevant. I said there were very few people in Congress who disagree with your neocon view of Ukraine. Are any of that literal handful of Congressmen in a position to put much pressure on the administration on their act of war against Russia? Maybe, I don’t know. I doubt it.

Mike Lee is all over this. I’m updating my priors as I type this.

https://twitter.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1623406081086050309?s=20&t=KL8LyIY8RimJAcObjnCmYA

https://twitter.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1623390986486292495?s=20&t=KL8LyIY8RimJAcObjnCmYA

https://twitter.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1623371440903815168?s=20&t=KL8LyIY8RimJAcObjnCmYA

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“near-peer” is doing some work there.

You have no idea how House intelligence committee members with subpoena power could expose a secret CIA plot that they were not notified about thanks to an esoteric loophole? That sounds like a you problem.

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Of course house intelligence committee members would have some power. None of those guys are on the house intelligence committee?

Oh, right, ur grl MTG is on Homeland Security, not Intelligence. She should still have a say on a pipeline investigation, though!

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Ah. Well. Yes. Nevertheless.

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And for those of you saying well, early Sy Hersh work was Good Actually but his work the last 20 years has been crap. Well, this reflexive dismissal of Hersh’s work has been happening for 55 years:

I’ve been a freelancer for much of my career. In 1969, I broke the story of a unit of American soldiers in Vietnam who had committed a horrific war crime. They were ordered to attack an ordinary peasant village where, as a few officers knew, they would get no opposition—and told to kill on sight. The boys murdered, raped and mutilated for hours, with no enemy to be found. The crime was covered up at the top of the military chain of command for eighteen months—until I uncovered it.

I won a Pulitzer Prize for international reporting for that work, but getting it before the American public was no easy task. I wasn’t an established journalist working for an established outfit. My first story, published under a barely existent wire service run by a friend of mine, was initially rejected by the editors at Life and Look magazines. When the Washington Post finally published it, they littered it with Pentagon denials and the unthinking skepticism of the rewrite man.

I’ve been told my stories were wrong, invented, outrageous for as long as I can remember—but I’ve never stopped. In 2004, after I published the first stories about the torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, a Pentagon spokesman responded by calling my journalism “a tapestry of nonsense.” (He also said I was a guy who “threw a lot of crap against the wall” and “expects someone to peel off what’s real.” I won my fifth George Polk Award for that work.)

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Would love to hear ikes’ initial reaction to Sy’s Abu Ghraib reporting btw.

2004 is 19 years ago. That’s hardly a sound refutation of the general claim that his recent work has been unreliable.

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I wasn’t making any sort of refutation. I’m pointing out that Hersch’s work has always received this exact reception from the government and their stenographers.

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The people in this thread Arent engaging in the same type of dismissal, though. They are basing their dismissal on a number of recent instances where he has been shown to be completely unreliable.

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Pipeline sabotage jacked up gas prices and engendered a ton of anti-Democrat conspiracy theories right before a crucial midterm election. Every Fox-News Zombie I know was frothing about this from the second it happened.

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Right, if Bellingcat says so then case closed.

I wonder how many of the Sy truthers in this thread are moved at all in their unwavering support of WW3 escalation if this was proven to be irrefutable tomorrow.

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I suspect they’d be encouraged, see Surf’s post above. Putin didn’t respond to an act of war, why are we worried about escalation?

I don’t man, anything is possible, hard to know these days. I’m not even convinced that Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11.