Oil and gas embargo.
Tactically and strategic sanctions to limit the war machine will also have an effect on the civilian population GDP wise. It’s inevitable.
I wouldn’t sanction food production because I am not evil. So the bread lines stuff is just me lashing out seeing “For the Children” written on that ballistic missile that hit the train station today.
This.
Though Danby might wear his heart on his sleeve, his point is concrete. You either agree with the strategy or you don’t.
Should I feel bad about dopamine hits at the expense of Russian soldiers? They are most likely peasants oppressed by the state.
That’s right. The story has lots of villains, with varying degrees of evil, and it’s natural to want to see them punished. I don’t think that is necessarily in conflict with the idea of being as measured and rational as possible in response, but it can be. I’m old enough to remember the waves of righteous anger that fueled an American revenge attack on the entire Middle East after 9/11. That didn’t work out so well, and the room for error there was alot wider than the room for error in dealing with Russia. Launching into an emotionally driven campaign to punish all of Russia, including their citizens (brainwashed and not brainwashed) may be morally justified but it definitely risks repeating mistakes of history, from a century ago or two decades ago.
Russian mall:
Ukrainian mall:
Sorry, if the comfort of Russians, a majority of which support the war, is not a major concern for me.
Only bleakly ironic vs monstrous.
I think in this case we actually want to use The Donbas? Because “the” implies it’s a territory of Ukraine, and not using “the” implies it’s an independent (puppet) region, like Russia wants to call it. I could be wrong. Ukrainian officials use “The Donbas” IIRC.
Well now I’m completely confused because I had read it as the other way around.
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1512365048018132997
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1512366135416655876
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1512368381571354624
Every day, another war crime.
I’m with you, my position has nothing to do with sympathy for Russians, its purely about efficacy. There’s a commonality between brainwashed Russians and brainwashed Trumpkins. Their psychology most closely aligns to cult members, and it is in our best interest to get them out of their cults. Appeasement doesn’t work with cult members, but neither does aggression. The known successful technique for getting people out of cults is to demonstrate to them that the cult is not delivering the better life it has promised. In the context of Russia, targeted sanctions to undermine Putin’s promises of Russian greatness therefore make sense. But scorched earth sanctions likely drive the cult members into the arms of the cult leader. It’s a delicate operation where rage isn’t likely to inform the best decision making.
This describes how establishment Dems approach domestic politics. They find emotion-driven politics abhorrent and fear the consequences.
Some people believe the US should be doing more to help Ukraine and the best way to sway people is with an emotional push, not some sort of rational eDem-style debate.
When that cult is the Manson family curtailing their military ability is so important deprogramming is fps.
Beat: Lost his foot, half of a leg and his eye
Brag: He’s still alive
Variance: He’s employed by Fox News
I’m not calling for timid eDem politics. There’s a big gap between doing nothing and reactive desire to punish Russian citizens. The images from Ukraine create outrage and that can be good for building a consensus (it arguably already has done that). But I am getting the sense that people are treading into the territory of “othering” all the people in Russia and enacting sanctions as a form or moralistic punishment instead of as a tool to deliver a policy ends.
So we should try to punish the average brainwashed Boomer Russian with sanctions? If 75 year old Dmitri has to line up for a subsistence portion of stale bread each week that will curtail Russia’s military power? C’mon.
Sanctions really should be tied to a tangible outcome, like Russia leaving Ukrainian territory.
I support the othering of the Russian people to build the political will to enact harmful sanctions that help attain specific policy goals.
The moralistic punishment I crave is the complete humiliation of Putin, forcing him to retreat with zero gains as punishment for meddling in US elections.
It’s a failure of soft eDems to not engage in othering Republicans.
This is all consistent with my posts. I am advocating for sanctions based on the efficacy of those sanctions in attaining specific policy goals. I don’t really care for sanctions that are imposed strictly for the purpose of making the average Russian citizen suffer because their suffering makes me feel good. I don’t think this is really very controversial.
