The FC Dallas DA team is in fact elite for their age division. They might be the best in the country.
Caffeine’s overall point is valid.
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In the U15s DA? Sure. In a group including Europe DAs and national teams? Absolutely not. In a group of high schoolers including the U17s? Absolutely not. There’s such a huge growth in how good teams are from 15 to 17.
Well, there is one fairly obvious one that springs to mind.
Who was the Man U guy? Did you play D1? Where did you play?
Somebody has to make up the left end of the bell curve.
Oh man. This topic blew up overnight so ill be mega grunching. I specifically made mention of a few amplified exceptions and they include the MMA one you mentioned.
That trans woman had a pretty normal record with something like 7 wins 6 losses. One of her opponents complained and it blew up. Theres a reason you are thinking about this one case from 2015, because its super emotive and viral.
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Grunching again and the point has been made. You all need to give some credit to the people who’ve spent time looking into this.
Like. If someone tells you “all lives matter” that shouldnt mean theyre a racist… yet you know and i know they are.
This debate isnt that bad, but theres three camps.
First camp. Let the kids play and manage the few safety issues with advice from experts.
Second camp. Transphobes using this to beat on kids.
Third camp. I havent thought much about this, but camp 2 seem to have a few good points. Maybe we should both sides this a little while kids die.
4th camp (an imaginary straw man camp that doesnt exist) trans people should be able to play all sports with no restrictions including elite professional contact sports.
This thread has a lot of camp 3 and you all need to get a bit more informed.
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Grunching again, and i hope the rest of this tbread has in fact hanged your mind. But come on. Special trans leagues? Theres just so much wrong with this, not least it forces trans athletes to out themselves.
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You need to stop and read some before you keep posting. You are assuming the answer with so many of your questions.
Yes. If just having a Y chromosome led to a insurmountable advantage in all sports and all levels then yeah, it would require a different reaction. However thats not the case.
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Dude. Seriously.
As a liberal, you should be wary of thought processes that begin and end with “i can think of something. Makes me feel bad.”
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I mean. Yeah. This scenario i can think of (which totally hasnt happened) could happen, so lets focus on that while kids die.
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I know this is a best effort attempt to describe biological differences, but there isnt a hard line between “genetic male” and “genetic female”.
Across the broad spectrum of sexual traits its a bimodal distribution. Including chromosomes.
Having a male/female division in sport on its own is inherently unscientific and doesnt account for the tails.
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I dont even think there has been an openly gay athlete in any of these leagues yet.
Eh? Any u15 MLS developmental team would absolutely crush the USWNT. It would be an absolute thrashing. I’ve played with women who have played in the women’s world cup as recently as two years ago fwiw.
The hilarious thing in that link is that noting that the USWNT lost in a scrimmage to a u15 boys team as a defense is actually way worse than losing in a “competitive match.” Also, anyone with any familiarity with sport would know it wasn’t some sanctioned match and was obviously a match mostly for conditioning.
This whole debate assumes that transphobes have any interest in arriving at a good faith division into male or female.
To them theres normal male, normal female and other/outsider. Any one with a chromosomal difference would be just lumped into the not human category.
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Is there a more consistent division?
The reason there are divisions by gender in team sports because the best professional woman isn’t as good as the worst professional man in those sports. A woman would never make a NBA roster unless it was a gimmick.
i did not mean separate leagues. i meant have it all as one team. run the races together. promote inclusivity among the students. if it’s obvious that several recently transitioned individuals are dominating the rest of the athletes, then just create a section for their medals, stats, etc.
won’t work for team sports obviously, i’m on the side to let them play with cis athletes for inclusiveness.
Not really. Theres no good way to slice a bimodal distribution and get it completely right. Traditionally they just ignored this until forced to by folks like the south african runner.
The least worst approach is probably “take people at face value, combined with well informed and confidential testing at professional level to manage the tail”
Okay. I just cant think of any possible way that labeling kids trans publically in any way can be a good thing.
Btw. I see you are new to the board.
Thank you for posting in this thread. I know its a big load, and this topic particularly on the internet tends to be a toxic fucking cesspool that you shouldnt touch with a 100 foot pole.
This forum tends to be better, and is one of the few places where i see people change their mind. Im hoping this thread will have a few cases of that.
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Yeah this is definitely true. There are people who have androgen insensitivity who are assigned female at birth and live happy, healthy lives as women, but who are XY, perhaps even unbeknownst to them unless they have had a genetic test. I also know a person who is XXY in my wife’s extended family. She presents (or at least is presented, as XXY results in pretty severe cognitive impairment and she needs a ton of support to get by) as female. I don’t know anything about her genital anatomy nor do I really wish to.
Anyway, there are a pretty amazing amount of documented genetic features that can result in your gross anatomy not lining up with your karyotype. Not all of them result in disease, impairment, or obvious abnormalities.
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