Trans Issues In Sports/Society

[wirelessgrinder]

Exactly

[Bigoldnit]

I agree with your general point, but I also think it’s relevant that Elon has a trans daughter (and they have a very hostile relationship), so for him specifically it probably is a “porque no los dos” situation.

[DudeImBetter]

Even if you’re a Dem with a cisgender female youth athlete, I’m still not seeing the obvious reasons why this should shoot up in importance.

Is it because out of the 1,200 potential scholarships they’d be eligible for there are now only 1,152 due to the 48 trans girls who take one?

Is it because their high school team is less likely to win some trophy?

Is it because they’ll go from being the 1st place scoring leader to 2nd place scoring leader in their little regional youth league?

It just feels like there’d have to be some massive distortion going on as a parent of a cisgender female athlete for you to inflate the meaning of the “problem” while wholly neglecting the people it benefits.

[amead]

omg Sunday morning I went to a youth flag football tournament for 5th/6th graders, and there was a kid who was way taller that absolutely smoked his smaller opposition. BAN HIM.

(incidentally, several parents on the opposing team were super upset that they’d throw the ball to the tall kid zomg so unfair)

[WichitaDM]

@alex

You can engage with the arguments or ignore them, but this nonstop game of closing your eyes and shouting “bigot” has gotten us absolutely nowhere when rightly or wrongly, most people in the country who look at the cases don’t feel comfortable about them.

I’m not doing this anywhere that matters though. If it isn’t a winning issue electorally(not sure that’s even true) then fine but Simp’s posting yesterday was gross and bigoted.

It’s a strawman to try and say that I think the best way to handle this in a public political environment is the way I treat Simp here. And it’s just a way for you to score cheap points to do so.

Also people were very uncomfortable sharing water fountains with black people not to long ago. Coddling them and their bigoted fears were not how things were changed.

[FuncrusherPlus]

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[alex]

@clovis8

Every argument simplictus made was throughly dismantled itt.

An election is not worth winning if you have to do so by throwing the least powerful yet most attacked people in your coalition under the bus.

It’s the opposite of throwing them under the bus.

When Trump and JD Vance mollify their position on abortion in public, knowing that as soon as they win they will appoint a bunch of Supreme Court and federal judges that will enact their base’s preferred position, are they throwing anti-abortion activists under the bus? Or are they using smart tactics to try to prevent Kamala from destroying them on the issue?

Wrt the first sentence, if his arguments are dismantled that’s great and I’m happy. What’s bad is not allowing QG or Simp or Cactus to discuss the issue without being called disgusting or told to fuck off or whatever.

[WichitaDM]

When their starting points are basically the same historical bigoted tropes used towards every other otherized class in history it doesn’t merit discussion.

[Cactus]

I think it’s all of the above. I find the most vocal antagonists of trans women in sports are the macho alpha male wannabes who like to think they are protecting and standing up for women. It’s a way for them to cope with being sexist in every other part of their lives

[WichitaDM]

And opportunists like Riley Gaines.

[gman42]

@FuncrusherPlus

I think you are underestimating the influence a single athlete could have.

Uniqueness + really good at a sport would be something kids would definitely imitate.

What are you implying with “imitate” there? I just want to make sure I’m not totally misunderstanding.

[FuncrusherPlus]

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[gman42]

So yeah, still trying to zero in. Are you talking about a transwoman inspiring other transwomen to succeed in sports etc.?

Or are you implying they might inspire someone (who wouldn’t otherwise) to transition just so they can be “unique” and excel? That’s the implication I was worried about.

[FuncrusherPlus]

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[JimHammer]

Do you think an effective rebuttal would be to point out that MAGA cares way more about a couple of trans athletes than they do about the thousands of children impacted by school shootings?

Not that MAGA gives a shit, but anyone who is swayed by the anti-trans messaging.

[FuncrusherPlus]

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[RiskyFlush]

@WichitaDM

When their starting points are basically the same historical bigoted tropes used towards every other otherized class in history it doesn’t merit discussion.

This is where I am at on discussions about trans and intersex issues. I liken it to something like what if a centrist from the civil war time traveled to the modern era. I mean ffs if they started saying I have no animosity toward people of color, but what about the science? There are plenty of resources at hand that don’t require me to give the conversation an inch of ground.

[DudeImBetter]

Nah man, if the drums weren’t being hammered by the donor class on this issue then they’d go right back to NGAF about womens sports again. They’re not standing up for women, they’re just doing what they’re told, and they’re enjoying it because it involves sticking it to the icky trans people which is a secondary benefit. At most white-knighting for women as a whole is terciary.

[DudeImBetter]

Nah this is fallacious and still gives the argument way more credence than it deserves.

Dismissive mockery or highlighting their bad-faith nature by shining a spotlight on the fact that they don’t even know any professional female athletes’ names is optimal.

[Melkerson]

@JimHammer

Do you think an effective rebuttal would be to point out that MAGA cares way more about a couple of trans athletes than they do about the thousands of children impacted by school shootings?

Not that MAGA gives a shit, but anyone who is swayed by the anti-trans messaging.

It should be effective, but it wouldn’t be. Because nothing matters.