Trans Issues In Sports/Society

No. Absolutely not.

This is not a free for all forum for all conversations. I will not involve myself in a community that says it is the equivalent of 4Chan discourse, but I am also confident you and Alex do not mean this when you make this defense as a response to THIS SPECIFIC CONVERSATION rather than an abstract thought experiment.

I am asking for healthy boundaries for safety in a very urgent and specific conversation. Please do not conflate this with general conversation or the standards of a LC thread.

It is the responsibility of the person to PREPARE themselves for heavier conversations that have deadly real world consequences. Cactus showed up unwilling or unable to read even the last 40 posts. They said there were too many posts in the thread. They just showed up as they were.

Their recent posts confirm and clarify their LACK OF SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. The thread title alone signifies a more serious conversation. And yet they just popped in and went with some of the most dangerous basic comments and questions a person can contribute to this conversation. I have grace for that being their honest starting position, but wtf?

That is highly inappropriate, rude, and in this situation is contributing to the literal death of trans people. To me, it’s appropriate to walk into a conversation, make a comment, realize you spoke INCREDIBLY out of place, and just say you’re sorry and sit with some humility. That is the time to perform the labor necessary for you to participate in the conversation or decide that labor isn’t worth it to you.

Instead, his actions demanded WE perform that intellectual and emotional labor FOR HIM just so he can participate in the conversation.

No. I ask that he and ALL OF YOU do the MINIMUM amount of preparation. This is having real world consequences that go beyond your awareness and intentions. Please look at this as serious and urgent and do the work to educate yourself or just STFU to say anything but full throated support for people labeled as trans.

If the minimum amount of preparation for a person doesn’t include simply reading the thread, which is nowhere near the minimum amount of preparation to participate in this conversation without having a harmful impact, then I am going to ask that person to sit down, and I will probably do so in a manner that expresses how urgent the state of things are and what I’m experiencing.

Read the thread. Watch the videos. Read the research. Look up what other trans people have already contributed to the conversation. Whatever you’re thinking of asking has probably already been so thoroughly answered that you can answer it faster and avoid contributing to the harm and death of trans people by performing that intellectual and emotional labor before hitting post.

I am not asking to stop this dialogue. I am asking for everyone to treat this one more seriously and please prepare yourself first. That might mean participating in the conversation for a while by just listening. Please. This is not an abstract conversation. This is real and specific.

I am asking anyone who wants to respond like cassette or Alex to please express grace and compassion for the trans people being affected by this and why boundaries are good and healthy for everyone’s safety, including in this very conversation. Gesturing toward whether everyone should be allowed to ask questions and participate is not helpful. No one disagrees with that principle just because you got checked and asked to sit down in a specific situation.

You are loved and worthy despite being almost as imperfect as me :yum::heart:

Thank you in advance for listening and doing the work.

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It doesn’t need to be insincere. It’s as destructive as an edgelord also sincerely asking questions.

Why does everyone keep telling me to stop JAQing off?

I appreciate your sincerity I am just asking you to stop and reflect on the unintentional harm your actions are having. If you are sincere in your desire to be an ally for people facing trans medical obstacles, you may need to try a different approach that aligns the impact with your intentions.

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I think it’s a mistake to expect normies to perform manual labor to arrive at their political positions. If you don’t want to spend time addressing his concerns that’s fine and understandable and someone else can take the burden upon themselves if they wish, but it takes no less effort to answer the questions than it does to write out a post about how much of a bad person he is.

Ultimately, you are not doing this for him. Trans rights isn’t something that affects him personally. You would be doing this for yourself and the trans community that you wish to protect.

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I accept your faulty reading of what I said. I’m not going to expend further labor for you on this point.

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Thank you @RiskyFlush , I learn a lot from your writing and the videos you sometimes post here. You’ve made me a better informed person (better person?) with respect to gender issues, and I am grateful for it.

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Bruh. You came on to a text-based discussion forum in a text-based discussion thread, what did you think you’d see?

RF is giving you best-practice advice for any topic.

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I (think) what riskyflush is saying is that the best way to be an advocate is to just quietly have their back in ways that don’t otherise or endanger trans people

But the thread title is specifically about sports and while my sample size isn’t huge, judging from conversations I’ve had and overhear, trans people aren’t winning this battle any time soon. At least not without a ton of pushback from the opposition. I never imagined that my questions could be considered dangerous like opposition pushback. Maybe I’m still not understanding, but I’m going to bow out of this thread because it’s clear I don’t know how to talk about this issue. My apologies to anyone I may have caused grief to

Yea so what would be ideal imo for you to get out of this thread is compelling responses when you overhear or get involved in these types of conversations with people at work or whatever. So that you don’t feel like you have to bow out and stay quiet when this topic comes up. And it would be nice for knowledgeable people to provide that as easily and painlessly as possible because it seems like they are good faith questions, and what we all presumably want to is to spread the correct information to as many people as we can. @Yuv has done the best job here of providing the most efficient messaging.

Any time I wonder whether I am making a good decision, I always think to myself “What would Lance Armstrong do?” and then do the opposite.

Hasn’t failed me so far.

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Never not awesome:

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Played in some dumb charity golf event that I play every year. There is a typical dinner and raffle and stuff afterwards, and one of the prizes was a Bud Light cooler and camping chair or some such. The person who won took the items, and walked to a side door to an outdoor patio, opened the door, and threw the stuff outside. The room went absolutely wild with everyone clapping and cheering.

The emcee on mic then proceeded to riff on Bud Light and homosexuality, using the full F-word slur several times, and everyone was going wild.

Definitely feeling very bad about this. It’s obv a demo that was almost 100% white men, many of which are boomers, but it seemed like the 30/40-something clientele was most delighted.

Like I said, was at this event for many years without even a hint of deplorability, but now this shit has been normalized and it’s fucking everywhere. My group left and will not return, but fuck Trump for emboldening these pathetic dicknards. The olds dying off will not save us now that these animals can safely slink out of the shadows again. Fuck everyone.

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wait, you think Trump caused a bunch of white country club type assholes to be bigots against gay people?

I’m 40 and I can’t think of a time in my life where those types weren’t openly homophobic to applause or laughter.

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Made them bigots, no. Made them comfortable enough to drop hard F bombs over the PA system in a room with 150 strangers? That definitely isn’t something I’ve been accustomed to, but maybe I’ve just been running good.

This headline, I like it! Another.

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Thankfully, several chess federations (Germany, France, U.S.) have stated that they won’t cooperate with FIDE’s position.

Russia will of course.

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Idk my dad got my sister and I into chess around the same time when we were kids and I still can’t beat her :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

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They can have mine, it’s gonna be out of me on 9/26. It’s kinda fucked up though, lotsa fibroids. Probably still works, never actually used. Gonna have to get the ovaries from someone else, though, those are going in the trash.

In all seriousness, I feel like this is something that could have been done a long time ago if not for puritanical, patriarchal views about medicine and gender care. They can transplant hearts, for god’s sake. They can reattach penises (and make them work!) to men who don’t deserve it. Seems like the uterus should have been solved by now, except
heh we haven’t cared about women’s health because it’s icky and scary or something (see the recent tampon study).

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10 or 20 years?

They grew a transgenic human kidney in a pig and attached it to a brain dead coma guy. Just last week i read it’s still working a month later.

You can grow your own uterus in a pig pretty soon. why not?