Yeah he resigned today effective two days ago and they begged him to stay.
Such a ridiculous administration.
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This guy was supposedly the firewall between Trumpās worst instincts at the border. Whoever gets that job next will not be a firewall. The guy is not a good guy at all, but whoever comes in next is sure to be a monster without any Senate confirmation or hearing. It was a disaster for them last time they tried to fill that position, so imagine what it will be like now.
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He was the guy who was heckled out of the room while trying to give a speech the other day. He probably decided the hecklers were right.
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Heās not going anywhere. He signed a non-compete in exchange for $10M or whatever
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Donāt drop it, man. Tell me more about these secret ballots and all of the weight they hold. I donāt and will never have you on ignore BTW.
Dude thank you for introducing my to Hedges. Heās awesoome
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Moscow Mitch can set up any rules he wants in the trial. The secret ballot is a rule that could happen if he had the guts to be such a gutless coward for his other gutless cowards. That story was 10 or 11 days ago, and some stuff the GOP supposedly really doesnāt like has happened since then (plus Mittās shadow campaign that Trump flipped over last weekend).
Good god the last 6 hours or so of this thread is awful. I wonder why.
I actually donāt think they can do it by secret ballot. Canāt put my finger on it but I donāt think the Senate can vote on something in that manner.
My understanding is they can do practically anything in an impeachment trial. If they agree on that rule (the majority gets to set the rules as far as I know), it can be done. Do you have any idea where I might look to find out if they can vote by secret ballot?
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I swear thereās some constitutional rule somewhere that requires that votes in the senate and the house, really any vote, be public. As I said I canāt put my finger on it though.
I just looked something up, and it says there are three methods āvoice, division, and roll callā in the Senate. It doesnāt say anything about prohibiting a secret ballot, but I think thatās close enough to your thoughts.
Another idea is blindfolding everyone with no TV cameras, and doing a voice vote. Or having everyone turn their backs with or without TV cameras and having a voice vote. Those would sort of serve as secret ballots, though obviously everyone would have a good idea of who said Aye and Nay from their neighbors.
I only just now figured out how to ignore nunn. He occasionally writes a good long post summing up whatās going on or whatever, but those exist in other places and he straight up ruins threads a lot of the timeā¦ and honestly he lost me with the whole āwe should do Pence first because then we can get Romney (???)ā line recently. I canāt do it anymore and I keep getting baited into responding.
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Thereās Article 1 Section 5:
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.
Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.
You think I want Romney? People who donāt are saying theyād prefer Trump to completely destroy this country in the next 1 year and nearly 4 months over having some guy that a lot of people who have say would agree to (Romney is a guy who could probably get through and is solely the hypothetical in this situation). Iām not advocating Mitt, but if you think I would prefer Trump to Mitt in this very particular situation I donāt want to ride on any trains youāre on. Itās amazing how bent out of shape youāve gotten over me, so good for you!
So youāre saying they need 80% for a secret ballot?
Iām unsure but would guess so. Itās an explicitly mentioned constitutional right for senators to demand vote transparency. I doubt thatās something that could be changed even though the broader right grants each house the ability to determine the rules of its own proceedings.
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