This is good imo
https://twitter.com/VippusaO/status/1576294712952197124?t=LJPuLUogc5d6-uWSEIrxGw&s=19
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That guy is saying pretty much exactly what Iād say if pressed for a positive from Trumpās presidency. The massive huge gigantic necessity though is that Congress actually DOES SOMETHING and enacts laws to prevent people like Trump from skating accountability by ignoring norms. A lot of rules Trump broke donāt even have any enforcement mechanisms or even recommendations, theyāre so LOL and dependent on ārespectā or āhaving shameā or whatever. Similarly the J6 committee will likely have all sorts of recommendations in their final report for new laws to restrict people from blowing apart elections, but what happens then? Recommend shit all you want, you got to get that into laws, THEN you have to deal with RWNJ judges. Good luck USA.
Weāve been saying that for years here and you made fun of us. Outside corners of the Internet like this one, nobody cares.
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Ice cold take
lol - thatās a Turkish state-run ānewsā site
Congratulations to President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro on greatly āoutperformingā inaccurate early Fake News Media polls & getting into a two person runoff, to take place October 30th, with a Radical Left challenger. Now that other Conservatives are out of the race, President Bolsonaro is in a very strong position to win BIG. More importantly, he will be victorious because the wonderful people of Brazil appreciate the great job he has done, and is doing. Tremendous Voter Surge over last 24 hours!
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Iāll be coming around if something isnāt done soon after the midterms. Itās crazy to me that no action has been taken to this point and I think that guyās commentary is spot on. Even if/when they DO criminally indict, reforms are clearly needed
The whole Trump debacle also serves as another clear example of how there are two distinct different justice systems in this country depending on whether youāre rich, powerful and white, or not
Itās good to see your views on the justice system changing. Has this changed your views at all about the justness of using lethal force against people committing property crimes?
Iāve always been extremely critical of our justice system and police. However, Iām also a believer in our individual rights to protect ourselves and defend against crime too. I fail to see why it has to be mutually exclusive. Why one canāt abhor and be against current police and judicial practices while still believing in the right to defend life, safety, and property?
I understand that many feel inanimate objects arenāt worth a life. And even while I agree with that sentiment, I donāt fault those who donāt. Again, my basic motto is donāt tread on me. The party that initiates violence and destruction against the innocent doesnāt get to choose what method is used to stop them.
This is a derailment of this thread, but feel free to post in whatever Cactus containment there is and change my mind
I think this is one of those things that is fine in the abstract but breaks down the more you examine reality objectively. It is an important insight to recognize that many of the abhorrent police and judicial practices arise specifically from structural defense of the life, safety, and property of the well off while sacrificing the life, safety, and property of the powerless. So what is often framed as Good Guy vs. Bad Guy in the abstract breaks down the application of inequities in practice. I donāt really fault you for your belief system and I think that there are valid arguments to have about ājustifiableā violence on a case by base basis. But IMO there are clear slippery slopes on both sides - if violence is never justified the self defense is never justified, but if violence in protection of property is always justified then taking a life to defend your Pumpkin Spice Latte is justified. Neither of those outcomes make much sense to me and there is plenty or theoretical and practical benefits to believing in proportionality.
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I agree with most of this wholeheartedly except youāll need to point out specifically this particular problem with my logicā¦ If one gets killed in the process of stealing someoneās spiced latte, I view that as on them. They created the situation that got them killed
Now if someone steals food because they are victims of an abhorrently unjust system that keeps them poor and underpaid, we can talk. In fact, Iād go so far as to say there shouldnāt be any punitive action at all. Stealing from a private individual is different than stealing from a store. And as I type this, I can see the hole in my logic. So can I say stealing from a āpublicly ownedā concern is different than stealing private property? Does that make me any more logically consistent? This is definitely something I need to put more thought into
So happy to have helped a great person and leader get into the difficult to achieve, with other Conservative candidates and certain difficult rules and regulations, run off for President of Brazil. The Voters made a great decision in giving such strong backing to the brilliant and very hard working current President, Jair Bolsonaro. Now, for the sake of Brazil and its future greatness, they have to get Jair over the finish line, against a Radical Left Socialist, on October 30th. Go Bolsonaro!!!
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This is where the concept of proportionality comes in. You can view it as illogical and thatās fine, but in practice it comes up all the time. Even the idea of just having varying legal penalties for different crimes is pretty widely accepted and, as I said, you run into some pretty ugly slippery slopes in real life if you take an absolutist approach on either end of this spectrum.
āāSuperman & Batman, rolled into oneā: Trump catches MAGA hat and pen like a boss, breaks internetā https://americanwirenews.com/superman-batman-rolled-into-one-trump-catches-maga-hat-and-pen-like-a-boss-breaks-internet/
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I think this is where Iām mostly misunderstood. Iām not saying I agree that killing someone over a spiced latte or property is an appropriate or proportional response/punishment. Iām saying I place at least equal blame on the person who encroached on the innocent party
Idk, it was instilled in me at an early age to never under estimate who youāre fucking with or what someone else might be going thru, or capable of, or what their state of mind is. Itās why I avoid road rage incidents and mind my own business whenever possible. Maybe their life savings just got stolen or their dog just got run over and stealing that latte provoked them over the edge. Minding your own business and leaving others alone avoids the necessity for discussion
thereās a long running motif that russian tv does with putin, where they show him catching a pen that almost rolled off the table, and fawning over his reflexes, etc. it may have picked up when he stopped playing hockey so often. itās super fucking sad, but apparently works on the olds.