Noted dummy Pauline Kale thought Star Wars infantilized audiences, killed irony and reduced critical thinking.
There are whole sections of Easy Riders, Raging Bulls about the negative effect of Star Wars.
Thanks for your (as usual) informed and thoughtful contribution to the discussion.
i like this thread because i feel like i psych myself out too much about starting new threads. âwhat if itâs a bad thread?â, i think. but itâs really no big deal
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Socrates thought writing would be the thing that killed critical thinking. Maybe weâre all just a bunch of dumbasses blaming Star Wars or AI or whatever for the fault in ourselves.
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Itâs true that if Socrates were smart, heâd have spent a few years building up a tolerance to hemlock.
Which maybe he did, and went off to Rome or wherever to corrupt the youth there. But weâll never know because he never wrote anything down.
If it is indeed possible for a single movie to inexorably and permanently alter the film industry, the there is no real reason to blame Star Wars. There is nothing magical* about Star Wars except being first for a few things, so if it wasnât Star Wars to open this alleged Pandoraâs Box of cinematic ills, then any of another subsequent or hypothetical movies might have done the same thing. Maybe you get a few extra years of the halcyon days, but given that people have an appetite for Star Wars and similar content, itâs an inevitability that someone finds it.
This is where I once again highlight a lack of understanding people, no matter how much you know about movies. Why on earth do you think a movie studio with a profit motive would not make a movie that was immensely popular?
*âMagicalâ in this case being something like the movie having super powers outside of the movie itself. I certainly think that Star Wars had a âmagicalâ blend of story telling, cinematography, operatic music, and imaginative wonder to foster a sense of awe and fun in people that is difficult to replicate, but thatâs not the kind of magic I mean here.
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The masses are dumb and have bad taste. Trump is president and he won the popular vote. I understand people fine. I just donât like them much as a collective.
OK, but for all the âMARVEL AND STAR WARS FANS HAVE BAD TASTE AND CONSUME NOTHING BUT SLOPâ rhetoric, why do you not acknowledge that their fan bases actually are discerning? They very much have taste, and I can point to a litany of Marvel/DC/Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/etc. either wannabes or bona fide branded projects that have flopped?
There is a reason why we are still talking about Star Wars in particular coming up on 40 year later, and that is because for as much as Star Wars gets written off as base and formulaic and childish and whatever, it has actually been really difficult to imitate. George Lucas could hardly replicate his own success, and the might of Disney largely failed as well, arguably harder. The MCU is on life support and will live and die based on Doomsday. The DCEU is dead. The Hobbit movies sucked, despite easier source material and the same director.
There is clearly a difference between a good and a bad comic book movie, both from critical reception and in box office performance, so, maybe just get over yourself and realize not every movie has to be for you?
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My âWHY WONâT THE STUDIOS MAKE MORE UNPOPULAR MOVIES?â t-shirt has me asking lots of questions already answered by my shirt.
I find it funny that Clovis seems to think that highly skilled actors/directors hate sequels/IP work. Coogler likes the black panther/creed franchises! Fincher pitched Spider man. Nolan obviously wanted to do Batman. Cameron obviously loves Avatar. Villaneuve likes Dune.
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If clovis loves that movie with the marvel director guy where at the very end of act 3 all of the heroes are stuck in that one place being attacked by a swarm of bad guys and the climax is a big one on one with the lead villain he should check out this movie sinners instead of rewatching his favorite: avengers age of ultron again.
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In case the influence wasnât obvious to people before, watch âtill end.
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Why do you feel the need to strawman a real debate? Nobody is shocked studios want to make popular films. That is in no way a data point for their quality.
By that rationale, Taco Bell is the height of cuisine.
You are conflating like 3 genres of film. Also, itâs Not a defence of comic book movies that a very small percentage of them are good. I like a few. My point is that overall they have been very bad for the industry.
Of course they need to sell non comic book films like they are comic books because thatâs the audience.
The fact this got so many likes really makes we question hanging out here. We are a DISCUSSION board and yet the idea of discussing something seems anathema even when said topic has been wildly discussed for decades.
Iâm willing to defend my side even if alone. What is the point of coming in just to mock the very idea of having a friendly discussion about a movie in a movie sub forum?
You are allowed to just not read this sub forum you know?
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If it wasnât Star Wars someone else would have made a movie that accidentally appealed to children and young adults to such an extent that they would become the demographic studios went after. Someone else would have discovered you can make more money selling toys to kids than from ticket sales and weâd be pretty much in the same place. In no world do we end up with big-budget âsmartâ films for discerning patrons or whatever Clovis thinks the opposite of Star Wars and Comic book movies are doing the same kind of business comic book movies do. Itâs so much easier to make one big budget movie based on proven IP than it is to make 5 small budget movies that may not find an audience. You can see that by looking at the schlock Netflix puts out where they have an A- or B list start, part of a script, and 1/2 the effects budget of a normal film.
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This reminds me of the Einstein argument, like if Einstein didnât come along we wouldnât have discovered relativity for a long time, as opposed to the fact there were a bunch of scientists right on his heels
Sure maybe who knows. If it was some other film then I would have the same gripe with that film in its historical context.
Seems weird to suggest the blockbuster age was somehow inevitable given the industry operated fine for like 60 years before it.