The Columbia virology lady says that someone could have caught the covid from collecting bat shit for fertilizer, but someone catching it from collecting bat shit for virus, well, no that’s not plausible, come on, don’t be ridiculous.
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You are changing the question. Getting infected by bat droppings is completely plausible. One of the handful of scientists being the index case out of the millions in the region exposed to bat viruses is not plausible.
But it isn’t millions. It is however many people had significant contact with bats or whatever intermediate animal this virus came from. There’s millions of people in Wuhan, but how many bat capturing guys are there?
the genomes that have been sequenced point to it being a naturally evolved relative of SARS and not an engineered virus. therefore it was already out there. therefore it couldn’t possibly have escaped the lab.
if you’re talking about stepping in a bit of doodie in a cave and bringing it to a city, consider the small group of scientists are virologists, and the much larger group of people fooling around handling bats probably don’t have a high school education. their training is more along the lines of, “how not to get bit” and “how to stay balanced up on a tall ladder”
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if the joker is loose in gotham city, can he then break out of arkham asylum? no. in order for him to break out, he has to be first contained. if he was never contained he can’t escape.
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I think the scenario many are envisioning is:
- Virus discovered/recovered in samples brought to lab
- Lab does experiments on virus, including studying how/whether it can pass from species to species
- Lax safety/security measures allow lab worker to become infected
- Lab worker leaves lab and infects others
I don’t think anybody here is saying it was engineered.
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Read the post above yours very carefully.
brought from… earth, right? somewhere in the world?
By this logic, it is not plausible for any person in the region to be the index case.
How many fucking times are you going to trot the same fucking strawman out there??? NOBODY HERE IS SAYING IT WAS ENGINEERED!!! NOBODY!!!
Stop acting like that’s my or anybody’s argument, you’re being a fucking asshole, and I’m sick of it.
I’m not sure why this is some sort of gotcha. If the lab is specifically collecting viruses and doing experiments with them, including on how they can transfer from species to species, and has a history of safety/security issues, I don’t think it’s nuts to think that it’s possible that’s how this outbreak originated.
So you started the corona virus?
the mutation that caused the virus to be able to infect us humans happened in the wild. the scientists had nothing to do with it. scientists anywhere handling sars-cov-2 pre-outbreak (no evidence for this) isn’t necessary for the events that have happened to happen.
GET IT!!! KICK ITS ASS!!!
i’m not saying modified or engineered, i’m saying if they captured it from the wild, it was already out there. it had already mutated to infect humans, which means it was already in contact with humans.
My understanding is that the original bat virus couldn’t jump directly to a person, but could to an intermediary animal like a pangolin or raccoon dog, and from there can jump to a person. Is that correct? If so, would someone studying the virus be able to tell whether these jumps occurred in the wild or in a lab?
And yeah I understand that the lab scenario isn’t necessary for these events to have happened. Nobody is saying that there is no other explanation than the lab being involved.
If it cannot infect a human without coming into contact with a human, then I guess the right wing is right and it’s all a hoax, cause someone had to catch it first.
Like regardless of in what form it was out there - bat, pangolin, panda bear, golden retriever, whatever, this outbreak started in Wuhan and could have been started by someone from the lab fucking up. That could be the case even if some dude in rural China had already gotten it.
Nobody is saying it was engineered in a lab.
Look, we can’t really know anything because we don’t know how many people fuck pangolins overall. Are Wuhan Virus Lab Scientists much more likely to fuck pangolins? Of course, that’s just basic arithmetic. But the denominator is a much more difficult number to arrive at.
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They could have discovered it and been studying it after it made the intermediary jumps and before it made it to humans. Maybe they were studying a virus they got from a pangolin or something, I don’t know.