Sky's Adventures Behind the CA Dem Party Curtain - Hey, we made New Yorker Mag!

I’m trying to parse what you’re saying here. I’m with you that 2003 was a shitshow, I remember, just like you do, and I remind me mainstream dem/centrist friends about that. I agree that Faulconer, or someone of his ilk, as governor would be bad. F that dude.

What I’m not tracking is that the “far lefties”(people who self-identify as socialist, communist, anarchist, radical) I know aren’t really focused on the Newsome recall at all. But you’re also saying that you are frustrated that it’s people in the Dem party that are signing the petition or gleefully calling for the recall. Maybe what comes to my mind when you say “far lefty” is different than what you are intending? Trying to understand who it is you are speaking about.

btw, I really appreciate this thread. I’m glad you’re taking the time and effort to do it.

I’ve never heard anyone I know as a far lefty support recalling Newsom.

For what anyway? Going to that dinner in Napa?

Interesting responses. Perhaps this is a vagary of San Diego County local party politics in that a lot of the agitators against Newsom come from the “progressive”/young dems group of active players. Which means this is a perfect post to take a side trip to my other projects I’ve been doing this year, which are tangentially related.

Disclaimer first: I will do my best to report only the facts of this case, but I cannot be 100% my biases will not come into play.

First, some background. CA Young Democrats (CYD) is a state-level organization that charters clubs around the state. Up until this year, there were three chapters in SD County: One on the UCSD Campus, San Diego Young Dems, and Escondido Young Dems. Also of note, the state chair of CYD is also the chair of the SD County Dem Party. CYD tends to the far left, with the unbridled passion and little moderation of youth. Not surprising.

In 2018, when enthusiasm was high and we came very close to flipping the 50th, Ammar’s field director asked some of the young supervolunteers from El Cajon, Santee, and Lakeside to help found an East County Young Dems chapter. No one stepped forward and the idea died on the vine. EC is a different place than downtown SD or La Jolla or even Escondido now, which is trending blue. EC is still very red, and anyone who represents EC must take that into account.

Along comes 2021, and now a lot of these young dems hate Ammar. They hate him with the passion of young activists. They are angry that he owns guns and spoke to Republican voters, Trump voters, with respect. They think he was not progressive enough. Whether or not that is true, the bottom line is, they hate him now.

I am not a stan, I worked for the guy, but yes, he made some mistakes. I don’t think his mistakes relate to how progressive he is or isn’t, though. Ammar acknowledges those mistakes, and has turned down some other opportunities in order to take time for himself to reflect on them. So have we. Poor messaging, poor digital outreach, spending time and money on the wrong things, we did it all.

Anyway.

In late November, some of the interns from the campaign decided they wanted to form an East County chapter of the young dems, and they got to work. In order to charter with CYD, they have to conform to strict structure and bylaws rules, like most Democratic Clubs do. They formed an interim executive board, and asked a few of the people they knew to be on an Advisory Committee, myself included. Because the Ammar campaign was their first foray into politics, the people on this advisory committee were people they knew from the Ammar campaign.

Because they needed to fill an interim e-board, the kids asked some of the other kids they met interning on the campaign to help out. Some of these kids do not live in East County (away at college, live in SD or San Marcos, etc). They always intended to help start the club then step aside for elections in April, since none of the actual east county residents that we had asked before seemed interested in helping.

Unfortunately, the founders (note: the president of the new ECYD club is a young Black man…this matters later) let a snake into their midst. Unknown to them, the girl they recruited to be interim treasurer was recruited by these Ammar haters to foment strife…and she’s really good at it. We didn’t see it until it was much too late. From the very first meetng, she started agitating against these interim board members and advisory cmte members who didn’t live in east county, saying she felt “gaslighted” by the draft bylaws that didn’t require people to reside in certain zip codes to be members of the club.

There were tears. She wants representation, and as a young woman of color, she felt bullied and gaslighted by the fact that limitations on membership weren’t i the bylaws. She was angry that they didn’t reach out to an east county activist group to be guest speakers at a meeting (where they already had a congressperson scheduled to speak). I don’t know how many of these feelings were real, or were “suggested” by the leaders of the other young dems clubs.

This came to a head in a meeting they had to pass the bylaws. This was open to the general membership, and the agitators came out in force, enough to bully our young Black president using parliamentary procedure to the point that proceedings ground to a halt. It was shameful, and the people doing it all claim to be young progressives who “feel that east county clubs should only allow east county people” (even though many of the agitators are from north county or the city). They used all the current progressive buzzwords and issues to try to make their point.

None of those are actually the point. The real point, directly from the mouth of the leader of Escondido young dems, is that they didn’t want ECYD to be an “Ammar club”.

In hindsight, we should have seen this coming. I wish the kids had asked one of the progressive superstars to advise, as well. The current young dem leadership of the other clubs saw this and took it as an opportunity to undermine Ammar again, even though he’s not running for anything. Ammar was not on this advisory committee, but myself, his field director, and his intern director were.

These kids, who only wanted to start a young dems club in their area, have become enmired in a proxy fight between the two wings of the dem party here: a very vocal group of very “progressive” Ammar haters and the rest of the party, who just want this club to get off the ground.

Back to Newsom: these Ammar-haters are the same people I see constantly posting and talking about signing the recall petitions. So maybe it’s a local thing, but it’s what I see.

I am also now the interim Vice President of a new East County chapter of the Veteran’s Democratic Club. This is going much more smoothly because veterans like structure and would never allow that bullshit to go down at their meetings. LOL.

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More on this. As an example, I am going to quote a public Facebook post by one of these “progressives.” Also I put “progressives” in quotes because it’s a stupid label for people who are doing their best actual halt any progress in this case.

I did not join ECYD for leadership opportunities. I joined ECYD so my community can have representation.
It is hard for members in my community to have their voices heard. I’ve lived in Spring Valley my entire life. Here in Spring Valley, we don’t have a mayor or city council. I live in a low income community of color in unincorporated East County, San Diego, all I want (the least we deserve) is proper representation. I am an educator at one of my local title I schools and the founder of the Spring Valley Cleanup Crew. I serve on CSA 128 and was recently elected to the Spring Valley Planning Group. I am actively planning and organizing projects to minimize the environmental racism I experience and my community experiences everyday. I do this work to empower and uplift the members in my community, but even then, I know that is not enough.
I hope you reconsider the bylaws that were proposed during last night’s meeting because I feel they would empower individuals in our community.

Please note the generous use of “I”. I, I ,I, me, me me.

To be clear, this post is in a thread about the battle over whether to limit membership and officership to people residing in certain zip codes. Note that none of the other YD clubs have this restriction. You can join Escondido Young Dems and be on their board no matter where you live. Which is doubly ironic, since one of the main instigators of this fight is the president of Esco YD.

ETA part of my response to this post.

I would actually be more concerned with the way the leaders of ECYD are being bullied by people being organized by folks in north county, with an air of righteousness and a believe they have a stronghold on what it means to elevate young voices. to me, that’s the bigger problem and to your point, I don’t think we witnessed the same meeting and/or progression of this club. all I’ve seen is constant berating and interrupting of a young black leader via the illusion of parliamentary procedure and the undying belief that everyone knows better than him. I’ve seen this from folks who claim to be in the fight to elevate BIPOC voices. well let me tell you…this isn’t it.

How is this possible? Isn’t like every statewide office held by a Democrat?

Sorry, I should say how it works. If the recall goes through, there’s an election for the replacement. It’s not appointed. My comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek.

Soooo…no democrat can actually come out and say they are both for the recall and running for governor to replace Newsom in said recall. Not if they want a future in politics, anyway. This is why that Chamath guy was such a joke.

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Tomorrow I’ll make a post about the party chair election. I have two meet and greets scheduled this afternoon/evening, one with each of the party chair candidates. I’m sure I’ll have thoughts.

I feel like the correct move would be to have a stalking horse move to have those other YD clubs adopt those restrictions.

You’re probably right, since no matter what happens in the East County club, the outside agitators “win.” In that sense, they’ve been very clever.

If the EC club imposes zip code restrictions, they win because they steamrolled the issue. If they don’t, then the outside agitators can easily “take over” the board and lock out the founders.

From their point of view, they probably see themselves as the insiders in a young vs old feud and someone like you as the outside agitator.

I look at what’s going on in Congress and feel like we need the next generation of Democrats to be clever people who know how to treat politics as a zero-sum game. I see this as a learning experience

Are you allowed to be a member of more than one local YD club? Can you restrict membership in that way? What about a quota where board doesn’t have to all live in the area, but a certain percentage does? If they’re going to win either way, then maybe you can teach them a lesson about compromise?

Where are the USCD Campus and SD Young Dems on this?

These are good suggestions, and I will talk with them more about it. I hope my little side trip into the founding of ECYD serves to give a nice picture of the state of the democratic party, not just in the county, but in the state.

To clarify, the county party has its own central committee and e-board, which is separate from the state, but are all included in the state delegate committee. The San Diego county party has been taken over by the clique of people close to the chair (unsurprising, I guess). They are urban young dems, stridently “progressive”, and there is a definite air of ageism that runs throughout the party. Older members and their concerns are pushed aside, laughed at, argued with, and dismissed. There is not a single rural voice on the County Party central committee, other than two associate members who do not have a vote in official proceedings.

The founders of ECYD are not a part of this clique, and thus, the clique has decided that they must be assimilated/destroyed/pushed aside. To illustrate my point, the people holding e-board seats in the other young dem clubs are also the e-board of the County party…except for ECYD.

Anyway, onward!

Over the past couple of days, I have attended zoom meet and greets with both candidates for State Party chair. Based solely on these meet and greets, how they answered questions, and their interactions with other questioners, my choice is…neither. Not that they need to be inspirational, but they are both actively uninspiring. So now I’m in the position of choosing the lesser of two evils.

Before I go further, let me list my personal priorities for the Party and what I want to see/hear from any of these candidates.

  1. Building our Democratic bench. How can the state party support down ballot races, including local non-partisan ones, to get more Democrats in offices up and down the ballot. The county parties have a lot to do with this, but the state isn’t powerless.
  2. Their commitment to empowering voters and candidates in races that are often overlooked and forgotten, including those in rural districts and areas that are traditionally red.
  3. Rural issues in general. Wildfire mitigation, transportation and infrastructure access, land use, water rights, broadband access, investment in renewables, etc.
  4. Improving the party’s digital outreach and social media strategies.

First up: Rusty Hicks. Incumbent, supported by lots of unions and many CA elected officials. He was elected in 2019, so he’s new to the job. On one hand, he is very labor-friendly. Kind of your standard replacement-level Democrat. He also helmed the party as it lost a lot of local races and 4 congressional seats in the 2020 election. If the party’s job is to help win elections, then he was mediocre at best. Slightly condescending to me when I asked a question about point #1 above. However, in his answer, he did list specific ways the state party helps, and how we might improve.

Second: Delaine Eastin: Former State Superintendent of Public Instruction, current progressive darling. I have no problem with her posted policies, and she’s mostly clean. However, she really had no credible or detailed answers for me when I asked about both points #1 and #4 above. She is a “boomer” and didn’t seem to even understand what I meant by digital strategy. This is very disheartening to me. Also, she says she’s for building a bench, but provided no concrete plans for doing so.

sigh

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These feel kind of related. You can also see it in this forum, the sense that entrenched olds cause Democrats to win less than they should.

Building a bench means empowering these Young Dems and supporting at least some of them despite their flaws or it means supporting uninspiring older people who might be condescending towards specifically these younger people.

You describe the CYD as having “the unbridled passion and little moderation of youth” and at the same time describe the candidates for state party chair as “actively uninspiring”. Moderation and sobriety and realism are rarely inspiring. There’s no easy answer here that can please everyone. Democrats are much more of a coalition of interest groups. A narrow focus that prioritizes certain things means that some groups are always going to feel a bit left out.

Maybe the more inspiring politicians tend to spend their time running for elected office and the apparatchiks who end up in charge of state parties tend to be more boring party loyalists who know they can’t win those elections.

I think part of the issue I’m having as one sort of caught in the middle (GenX) is that there is really no allowance for dissension among either side. For the young dems, it’s like they cannot imagine that someone their age might be slightly more moderate than they are, or slightly more attuned to the political process. For the older dems, they have forgotten their fiery youthful passion and are absolutely not understanding of the young dems’ activist hearts. I am all for getting more people involved, but what I am absolutely opposed to is doing so at the expense of other voices in the party.

In another thread you mentioned politicians vs. activists. It seems you’re one who understands that there is a difference. The young people who have taken over the county party are activists, which isn’t bad in and of itself. But in order to successfully run a county party, full of people with widely differing views, the ability to understand the blurry line where activism declines and politics starts is essential, and I’m not sure they have it (with a couple exceptions).

There is no easy answer, but the bottom line is that I do not feel represented in the party currently, and it has nothing to do with policy stances.

I think you’re better off betting on over-aggressive young people making mistakes, learning from them, and finding a way to mature into better Democrats than you are in hoping that older Dems rekindle the passion of their youth and suddenly get it.

In your place, I would consider being very process-oriented and trying to build credibility with both sides as an honest broker who can be counted on to care more about what is fair (and, I suggest, also what is transparent) rather than about which side wins. You’re probably skeptical of the Young Dems as people you can build credibility with, maybe justifiably, but it’s an effort that needs to be made and you need to be able to view them as something other than a clique of outside agitators.

And there will be winners and there will be losers. Some people will always feel short-changed in any outcome. Activists always feel underrepresented at the highest levels of the party. Growing the party will always lead to some people feeling left out. Sometimes, those people who feel left behind are going to be people you identify with or advocate for.

That’s just the issue I’m having right now, and it’s kind of infuriating. The most vocal (on both sides of this age gap) are incredibly unforgiving of mistakes. The “agitators” of the ECYD thing are the ones who have refused to budge on their hatred of Ammar (because of his mistakes), and their view that the founders of ECYD made mistakes in the beginning. To be fair, they did, they are good kids but we advisors let them go with it and let them make those mistakes. What we didn’t anticipate was a group of their peers coming in and absolutely pillorying them for said mistakes.

This seems to be a common theme among the young online set, having nothing to do with ideology. There is no allowance for mistakes, for growth. I’m not talking about “cancel culture,” that’s bullshit. It’s more a general lack of a genuine attempt to be empathetic or understanding. I attribute part of this to lack of life experience, and not having time to have made their own mistakes. I also attribute it partially to the fact that there’s been a great sea change in parenting styles over the years, and that a lot of these kids were never allowed to lose when they were younger.

As for the older crowd, it’s obviously more due to how set in their ways they are, and “we’ve always done it this way” mentality.

For better or worse, this is their time to make mistakes. You can’t treat getting the ECYD’s off the ground as too important to allow them to make mistakes, whether by “them” you mean the ones you back or the ones you see as outside agitators.

You need to come up with the best, most charitable, empathetic understanding of anti-Ammar Young Dems and see if that gives you something to work with.

It’s easy to say this is all due to a lack of life experience, but what do you really know of their own life experiences? Have you asked them what were the seminal political moments in their lives that activated their activism? Do you understand what drives them? Or do you just make assumptions about all people who are young and online?

these same progressives are going to lose governorship to a republican, then help elect chamath and get buttraped on their progressive agenda.

some will even declare that government doesn’t work and become anarcho-capitalists, or stan for jill stein.

i get that obama/hillary/me were/are not progressive enough for them, but they just haven’t had to endure a concerted gop effort to wedge them apart. they truly think it’s rainbows once they “win” in california.

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If you can’t tell the difference between Murray Rothbard and Murray Bookchin I don’t know what to say.

I am not capable of seeing the name Murray Rothbard printed or spoken without saying “Fuck Murray Rothbard” ten times.

One down 9 to go.

Fuck Murray Rothbard, fuck Murray Rothbard, fuck Murray Rothbard, fuck Murray Rothbard, fuck Murray Rothbard, fuck Murray Rothbard, fuck Murray Rothbard, fuck Murray Rothbard, fuck Murray Rothbard.

Now that I’ve gotten the obligatory stuff done I’ve definitely seen people (and I’m talking 2-3 different people not even just one case) transition in real time from the anarchist left to the anarchist right without skipping a beat because once you’ve decided that it’s possible to create a world without a monopoly on violence wielded by a specific someone you’ve departed reality and none of your ideas have any value until you return

Freedom, like nearly everything, has a point where you hit diminishing returns. Beyond that point it goes from being a positive to being first a small net negative and then a large net negative. Freedom for you rapidly impedes on your neighbors freedom from you past a certain point, and since people genuinely do suck that has to be dealt with by whoever has the monopoly on violence. That role has to be filled or violence becomes a standard way to settle disputes and things devolve from there as the violence spreads like a virus through society. Before you know it you’re assigning people power based entirely on how big of a monster people are willing to be.

Monsters!