On Welfare, And The People Who Receive It

We get it, your neighbor sucks. Most people don’t. Imagine spending this much energy on something you have zero control over.

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Eh. I think you need to accept your neighbor as she is, for your own sanity if nothing else. She’s mentally ill Zara. If you forced her to do work she’d do the absolute minimum and complain the entire time. She’s a liability in any situation where you’re trying to get anything done.

People don’t change until they actually want to change. No outside force is going to do that to your neighbor.

Honestly I used to be really unhappy about people like Zara’s neighbor getting money for sitting around doing nothing… and then I got a job where I was responsible for keeping systems running smoothly and I realized that could be a feature and not a bug. We’d all be better off if these people went home and never worked again. They don’t want to work and that manifests as them having negative net productivity. Any job they couldn’t screw up should be at the front of the line for automation anyway.

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Seems like most people who just sit in front of the TV all day are depressed and probably aren’t any happier with their life than you are seeing them.

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I also don’t see anything inherently more valuable in studying your ancestry or learning to knit or doing wood carving or whatever vs. watching TV.

There’s an objective difference between active and passive entertainment. If someone wants to watch TV that’s fine with me, but those other activities are fundamentally different in nature.

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Lower anxiety
better posture
more energy
better sleep
more rewarding
new skillset
goal setting
gateway leading

Right, these are all reasons why one might prefer to do those things. They aren’t reasons why you should judge someone who spends 4 hours watching TV but not someone who spends 4 hours on Ancestry.com

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That’s fair. I only read a couple posts so i dont know the judging backstory. Your post mentioned value and I disagreed.

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She will be blown away when she finds out about gamers on Twitch.

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You people could do all kinds of shit if you didnt stay home and play Sega all day.

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I dunno, after all a lazy ass from the USA sat every fucking day eating McD’s, drinking Fizzy drinks and Using Drugs while watching the TVee & he became President.

Says it all really

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“I have a problem with entitlement and the attitude that I am sucker because I am working instead of sitting on welfare.”

But no reasonable sane person has this attitude. Some random mad woman who lives near you thinks you’re a sucker? Why does that have any impact on your wider opinion about welfare. Your beliefs should be based on general moral concepts rather than individual animus towards some random “loser” who gets on your nerves. I mean ultimately you can base your beliefs on anything you like but you always struck me as more logical and reasonable than that.

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I don’t know of anyone on this forum that has this attitude. A lot of people on this forum probably think working is for suckers or that it sucks in general, but they do it anyways because living on welfare is not exactly a good life.

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I think most people here are working and want to work because they want a decent life and a future.

Re. your neighbour - really I understand your frustration with her horrible attitude but imo you’d be far happier saying something to her face next time she displays this attitude and then cutting her off completely.

One bad person isn’t representative of anything.

Sorry but that is just wrong. Your healthcare payments depend on your salary. Its an old criticism that people with enough money can use private and pay much lower costs. Even the public health care is capped at a salary of about 5k if I remember correct.(At least it was during my poker days when I had to declare my income) So you will never pay more if you earn 10k.
I work in healthcare and I can tell you that only very few institutions can solely exist through patients with private health care. You know who keeps the hospitals and the practices open(esp during COVID)? Its the public health care sector. People with private health care use facilities that are mainly financed through the public health sector. There are few who can offer their services just for people with private healthcare but esp not in the east or poorer parts of the country. And its not just facilities, its also the training of personal and all that stuff. So no you dont support 500 just for the poors. It seems you dont believe in paying your share depending on your income and rather have a US system. I just hope you will never need welfare yourself. It doesnt even need to be self-inflicted? How easily could COVID right now leave you dependable on others because you survived but now have damaged organs and your lungs wont allow you to work anything at full capacity anymore.

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No you said the difference between public healthcare and private health care is the money you pay for the poors. And you private healthcare doesnt even cover everything. If the cost of services is higher than what your healthcare provider will pay then you have to pay the difference. I have so many discussions with people on private insurance that just dont want to pay the difference. And as soon as people get older they want back into public healthcare because now their private insurances get really expensive.

You seem to really dislike the principle of a community of solidarity.

I also dont think that you really grasp how much the public healthcare sector build and maintains the system. It takes years to train doctors and in Germany it costs nothing for most part. Doctors and all other members of the industry need facilities for internships and so on. So everything you use as a private insured person isnt actually build by your contributions. Private healthcare is only cheaper because you dont have to account for a lot of the bad risk patients like patients with preexisting conditions. You are arguing like a healthy person who thinks that never anything bad can happen to you and therefore you should’nt be required to pay more.
Why should the public health sector be ok with private insured people using the stuff mostly paid for by the public sector?

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Its cheaper because you are healthy and still young I assume. Once you get in your 50s/60s it will get more expensive probably even higher than public health insurance hence why there are many who try to get back into the public option through some trickery. I despise these people.

Additions are paid by the profits. Where do the profits come from?
You cant become a doctor or anything without hands-on training for which you need a hospital or a practice. There also has been a change recently that students for several healthcare professions sign a contract with an health care provider and receive a wage which is paid by the public health insurance. A lot of the time people had to pay for their training or received on very little money to pay for their living expenses. It was one of the reasons combined with low wages that we dont have enough young people chosing these jobs to replace the ones that are retiring. Do you think private insurance offered anything to fight this dilemma.
The people doing the lectures are often people who worked before because they actually need some experience. Where do they get this experience?

Nope thats a misunderstanding. When serving a person who has public health insurance the insurance negotiated the compensation. If you are privately insured you have the contract with a health care provider not your insurance. So the doctor can charge you more, mostly 2.3 times of the public compensation. But in the end you have to pay the bill first and then get the money back from your insurance or not(maybe not 100%). In our practice I can set the prices based on my calculations and you can agree to them or not. Your insurance doesnt know and I dont know how your contract looks like if you are privately insured. I also dont care because I won’t set different prices for different contracts. If people buy cheap insurance which doesnt cover everything or has capped compensations thats the problem of the patient not mine.
But unfortunately I dont have many private insured people in the area anyway so I cant make any business decision based on them. Our bread and butter are the public insured people. I hire people based on how many patients I can expect from this pool. So once a private insured person comes into our practice his waiting time depends on my open timeslots which could vary from days to weeks. Of course we try to prioritize serving these people because I dont have to follow that many rules and regulations and I get a little more money. But often enough they arent paying in time or argue afterwards once the realize their insurance wont cover 100%. And its not really fair to the main bulk of our patients.

Yeah but there arent’t enough of them to justify running the hospitals just for them. Private insurances pay for procedures that happened already. During Covid the public health insurance paid to keep hospitals and private practices afloat. I couldnt employ one single therapists who is just financed through private patients.

I didnt say anything different. Which intern actually ever gets paid his worth. Do you know how much time it costs to train. I see how much time I have to give my people so they can teach the trainees properly. Thats time where we dont make money.

If you think that privately insured people dont contest their bills than you are badly mistaken.

No you help paying to keep the infrastructure running. Like I said most facilities cant survive with just catering to private patients. Public health insurances pay for doctors on the weekends to offer certain services when no practice is open. How do you think the emergency doctors are paid? Its not private insurance who sends money for having them.