dude, come on. I saw your deleted post. I’ve tried to correct the multiple straw men you’ve posted. ZZ can speak for himself. The idea that developers are in aggregate decreasing supply is not in question from anyone but you.
Also the people who want to move there. The market in SF is for $10M condos. Yeah, those buildings might be 20 or more stories tall, but they aren’t increasing affordability.
You are making a claim that in the aggregate, developers and market forces are increasing housing affordability. Is that a strawman?
I don’t think you should have a property right that prevents someone else from building an apartment down the street.
Using the Bay Area as an example for this is also kind of silly. Like, yes there are 5-10 housing markets in America that are just complete outliers in terms of affordability and density. There are hundreds of cities that don’t have those issues but still administratively prevent higher density housing in neighborhoods with access to employment opportunities and other amenities.
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My solution is to allow for more development, not just in SF but the whole Bay Area, which is filled with low density suburbs with mediocre 3 bedroom houses going for millions. I’ll happily admit that it’s not ideal, but it’s better than forcing hotel workers in SF live in Modesto and drive in.
You are saying that government restrictions are causing housing to be a lot less affordable. And you say it like it’s obvious - a matter of first principles/economics - not something that needs to be looked at empirically.
The developers, existing home owners, and buyers in Walnut Creek also want expensive single family homes. They want to tear down the mediocre 3 bedroom houses and build expensive 5 bedroom homes.
This is incorrect, and I’m not left with much patience here so I’ll probably bow out after repeating the basic post for the third time.
Developers increase the supply of housing.
Increased supply of housing is a negative pressure on housing prices.
This does not account for all market forces making houses more affordable, in fact demand does quite the opposite.
This does not account for every single development either, as you post yet another completely unsupported single example.
Hammer post someone else, jeez.
Do you have some examples? I bet any you can come up with are going to be far more complicated than you’d like to imagine, with nothing close to a clear right or wrong.
The one point I keep trying to hammer home in these discussions is that land use is very, very complicated.
lol - I just got a call on my cell from a number in Canada (I am not in Canada) with the caller ID “Raza dot com.”
As it was ringing, I Googled Raza and it’s “International calling cards to India, Pakistan”
No, that wasn’t a scam or spam call at all. No way.
Oh cool not like I looked at Walnut Creek apartments (admittedly never in person, thanks covid) and know of some very new apt complexes.
Seems correct to me.
I was actually in Yellow Springs once, and I remember seeing this guy and thinking that it really looked like Chappelle. It was over a year later that I discovered he lived there. Still not sure it was actually him, but now I’d say I’m at least 75%.
ok microbet, I’m going to take a break from responding to you because it seems like we can’t have a productive conversation. It’s particularly annoying when you make a post where you pretend like I’m responding to an entirely different post. It’s frankly dishonest.
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Examples of cities with zoning codes?
They’re building luxury apartments and tearing down houses built in the 70s and 80s and building McMansions. It’s not increasing affordability.
Is that actually developer driven?
In my area, the developers want to subdivide lots and build large single family homes with almost no yard. However, some of the wealthier folks will go the other way and combine lots and get the developer to build them a small castle.
Well, bobman left.
A lot of the giant houses in my neighborhood are built by developers to sell.
And we have small lots in my area, so ymmv.
I’m just flabbergasted at how we’re seriously discussing if developers net increase density or not in the United States based on allusions to an area as not getting apartments that I’ve personally looked at new apartments in while ignoring this.
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