Movies (and occasionally face slaps) (Part 1)

It’s good if you like old-fashined cowboy shows. Plus, production values are superb. I’m 100% over Baby Yoda; it’s been memed to death.

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I have no memory of ever hearing the name of that song or the band, but I have heard that song, which is shocking for a song that you are posting.

I’m not surprised. It received very heavy airplay in the mid-90’s.

Fun fact about the Sneaker Pimps: It was started by two dudes who later recruited the woman who sings that song. She appeared on (almost?) every track of their debut album and was featured prominently in all the videos.

Then they decided they wanted to do their own vocals instead and kicked her out. She went on to have a modestly successful career of her own and nobody GAF about the Sneaker Pimps ever again.

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Star Wars sucks. All of it. There I said it.

I didn’t love the last jedi, but the phantom menace makes the force awakens look like the godfather pt2.

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I remembered it from the Can’t Hardly Wait movie

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I loved the Force Awakens in the theater when I saw it, but I think that might have largely been from decades of unfulfilled desire for a good Star Wars movie. And then Abrams expertly tapped into nostalgia and hit some good emotional moments, and the new cast was good (Rey, Poe, Finn) to excellent (Kylo). In the theater I thought it was too much of a remake of Star Wars, but I didn’t care. I left the theater thrilled and excited, which what else can you ask of a movie.

I do think that structurally it created some story problems for the rest of the trilogy (shocking from JJ, I know). But nothing that couldn’t be solved. Then The Last Jedi, jesus christ. What a train wreck, I don’t see how the last movie can be salvaged and I have no desire to see it. The only way I’m going to see it in the theater is if my family drags me to it over the holidays. This is from someone who has seen every Star Wars movie since Phantom Menace in theaters the first week they were released. And saw the original trilogy in theaters when it was re-released.

I don’t think that TFA sabotaged Star Wars themes to any significant degree. But I strongly agree with you about TFA. I feel like it had a tone and plot that was openly contemptuous of Star Wars fans, and everything that Ryan Johnson said and did after the movie was released confirmed that for me. And it was just long and bad and boring, but that’s intertwined with the tone being off. Once a viewer rejects a movie, it’s over. And I don’t think there’s a surer way to get viewers to reject a movie set in the Star Wars universe than to show contempt for the themes and tropes that they’ve held dear for decades.

ditto for the first Dredd movie

I love The Mandalorian. I didn’t watch it despite the hype but finally did and WOW :+1:

What themes do you perceive the new movies as sabotaging?

I can’t bring myself to watch the prequels again. Just awful. They ruin everything I liked about the original trilogy, and according to Lucas, if he hadn’t sold, he would have gone into far more WTF ARE YOU DOING territory.

Noble Jedi being selfless and heroic in the face of evil. Attempting to redeem the irredeemable. If a character senses the good in the most evil man in the galaxy and tries to redeem him, probably don’t have the same character try to murder his nephew the first time he has some dark-curious leanings. Training the next generation of Jedi to be as noble, selfless, and heroic as you and your predecessors.

I don’t know if Last Jedi is worse than the prequels but the prequels still felt like Star Wars to me.

“You think what? I’m gonna walk out with a laser sword and face down the whole First Order?”

YES THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT WE THINK!

I’m eager to see Joseph Kosinski’s TOP GUN sequel. He has done some very fine work so far.

Oblivion looked excellent and was good, we’d just seen that story/twist a million times already.

Tron: Legacy is a GOAT sequel, and it’s a damn shame we won’t get another Tron from him. But it does give me great confidence in his sequel for TG.

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Can’t wait for TG: Maverick. Curious as to how the F-14 they showed in the trailer comes into the story. Iran is the only country that’s flown an F-14 for over a decade.

They could show 90 minutes of Tom Cruise flying a fighter through the mountains like in the trailer and I would watch it.

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You want Tom Cruise flying fighter jets. You’re getting Tom Cruise playing beach volleyball.

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Outstanding. Eastwood’s worst opening weekend as a director since Bronco Billy.

disclaimer: Star Wars nerd rant incoming

I don’t know, I actually like the idea of grey Jedi, because people aren’t all good or all evil. everyone has a little bit of both inside them. About the time the prequels came out, so did Knights of the Old Republic, a game with an incredible story that most people were saying was more “star wars” than the prequels.

It worked so well because the setting freed the developers to tell a story that wasn’t so rigidly locked into canon that things the movies couldn’t really get into could be explored. The nature vs. nurture argument is a big theme, as is redemption. One of the best characters could easily be called “grey” as opposed to light or dark.

That’s why I want an old republic trilogy. Not necessarily to tell the story of the game or the game’s main character, but because there is so much more freedom to tell good stories in a setting that is still undeniably Star wars, that probably wouldn’t have any reall effect on the current canon because the Old Republic was thousands of years prior to the Clone wars.

I totally agree. Luke, Rey and Kylo rejecting the Light side/Dark side dichotomy and starting something new could have been amazing. Or better yet, Rey accepts Kylo’s proposal in the throne room, Luke joins/rescues what’s left of the rebels and then that’s the setup for the final movie.

But to reject the idea of the Jedi you need to do a lot of heavy lifting, especially for Luke’s character. You need to show how Luke rejects the idea of the Jedi. That’s what the movie needs to be about, instead it’s an afterthought that is told to the audience rather than shown onscreen. That’s why TLJ dosesn’t feel like Star Wars. It just takes the character of Luke and twists him into something unrecognizable and alien. Which, again, you can do that. But you need to show us why he’s like that.