I don’t think I apostrophed ikes, that would get annoying, sorry if I did though.
The error is that it’s easy for the FBI to convictions against a white supremacist or terrorist because of an overall case rate of 99% or whatever sk cited. These cases are not typical, and even people who are obviously guilty like the ones I cited earlier routinely get not guilty verdicts.
I acknowledge that Keed might have made that error if he meant to assert that it’s easy to convict the Whitmer plot and the Bundy people rather than pointing out something must be different about these cases if they fall so far off the overall conviction rate
I was legitimately asking you why you thought those convictions were more difficult, beyond “they’re white supremacists”
What’s the logistical problems there? Jury pool, laws, something else?
The jury was described as being selected from 22 counties in the north and west. I am guessing they are the northernmost counties of the Southern Division of the Western District of Michigan. If I picked the right counties, it was about 54-43 Trump over that area and 59-39 Trump for the 66% living outside of Kent County.
My argument is that the Whitmer case is likely hard to prosecute because
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1512517343334699008
Yes, informant led (at best, straight up entrapment at worst) conspiracies that never play out are difficult to prosecute. This is a good thing!
And you’d probably get a bias for jurors near Grand Rapids. Who wants to drive four hours away for jury duty?
Honestly feels like Keeed is trying to dunk on CN using numbers about the city of Grand Rapids when CN was talking about the area of Grand Rapids, with the city itself having a population of around 200k and the metropolitan area having over 1 million people.
Go Griffins!
When I said that Grand Rapids probably went to Biden by a lot he hadn’t even posted on the subject. Weird dunk! Pointing out that the county Grand Rapids is part of ackshully only went to Biden by like seven points doesn’t seem like all that compelling of a counterdunk though, but who knows what you fellas are into.
The jury was all-white. Grand Rapids appears to be less white than the other counties, so it’s possible that GR was underrepresented on the jury. Defense challenges of potential jurors probably went disproportionately against Grand Rapids residents.
Also, juries aren’t composed of volunteers. You get randomly selected from a list of people who have driver’s licenses or are registered to vote in the district.
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Yes I know how jury duty works. People don’t show up for it all the time, and I’m sure compliance is better when the summons is for the courthouse 15 minutes away compared to four hours away.
People with an ideological mission might be very inclined to drive four hours to serve on a jury for a politically-charged case.
you don’t know what case you’re going to be on when you report for jury duty.
Do you think these people aren’t more likely to comply if they think there’s a chance they can get on the jury for the Whitmer trial?
I guess? Same thing applies to Whitmer partisans though and they have a shorter distance to drive.
That doesn’t help, shocking it’s more complicated than a flippant popehat tweet who also explicitly says he hasn’t followed the case.
There is an element of selection that functions similar to volunteering, which I’m sure you’re aware of. Including hardship such as travel
If you were ranking groups you had more faith in, including problems you have with selection and populace, who is higher, prosecutors, or juries?
Pretend this is a poll
You didn’t follow the case closely enough either. Neither did I. You know who followed the case extremely closely? The jury! When I actually watch a good part of a trial I might feel informed enough to weigh in on a jury’s not guilty verdict or failure to reach a verdict. Absent that, when a jury listens to the state’s case, backed by the vast and insurmountable resources of the FBI and DOJ, and is unconvinced? I’ll defer to their judgement.