I said nothing about fixing it. I said we own it.
Out of curiosity, what happens if we leave right now (like we should), and just let everything fall as it may (not even considering Israel isn’t going to stop its war against Iran)? The stage has already been set for everything you described regardless of whether one more bomb is dropped.
Dunno what “own” means or how it relates to anything, but registered Dumbocrats are not in favor of the war and its elected officials shouldn’t be supporting it, especially in such a safe district…but, of course, that’s the best place for the Party to make unpopular votes and stay in power.
Supporting additional war funding accomplishes neither.
I agree with you, but they don’t. And we’re the ones who have to bow down to them until election time. What is the better alternative to them? A war mongering Republican who loves Trump?
I don’t think it’s at all obvious that the result here isn’t going to be USA declaring some kind of victory, pulling back, and the Iranian government mostly staying intact.
Again, I didn’t say it had to make sense. I’m saying this is why no major legislation is ever introduced in an election year. People make very very very bad decisions about the impact of that legislation. Starting a war is probably the single worst thing you can do in an election year, especially without permission of Congress, but since impeachment is off the table what can really be done? Amirite
I don’t know what you mean. The chances of a Republican ever winning Jeffries’ district is essentially zero. What Democrat is going to lose an election if Democrats vote not to give additional funding?
I just don’t see that happening at all in regard to Iran. This was a horrific attempt at regime change and I don’t think they’re just gonna be, ‘ok no harm no foul, we’ll just pick up the pieces and start over’. This is an existential crisis for them, and it doesn’t end with the U.S. backing off if Israel doesn’t. I expect things to get very bad and I don’t think it’s a reach to think this will be a much worse impact than Iraq on the Middle East. There’s a lot of hopium going on with this that I don’t understand.
Remember all the US flags on cars after 9/11? I thought that was disgusting but showed you where an attack that was way less bad on this country put people’s heads. What we did in Iran is way worse.
I’ve said several times Jeffries’s reasoning does not make any sense, but he’s the leader of the House Democrats, so he’ll be pushing hard for whatever he wants. And I think he likes this war, because if you’re not dramatically coming out against it as a person in power, you’re for it.
Jeffries just being his usual noncommittal cowardly self. Don’t think that means he or dems will support additional funding for the war. Both he and dems voted overwhelmingly against the war earlier right?
I don’t know what will happen, but I don’t think USA is prepared for a large ground invasion, much less occupation, and of course Israel isn’t. Israel’s MO with enemy states for the last 40 years has been limited attacks with missiles and bombs (along with spy stuff and assassinations).
And by not prepared, I mean I don’t think there have been large call-ups and I don’t think the Army has been included in this operation the way it would need to be if there were going to be an invasion. And without boots on the ground for a sustained period it’s not likely that USA will be in any postion to even try to set up any new governments.
Could USA just continue bombing Iran for months or years without landing troops? Yes, but hopefully that’s not politically feasible.
I think it may hinge on how the Republicans vote and if enough of them vote along with Democrats for there to be a need for Democratic votes in support of funding.
Also, I think Trump could ignore votes and take illegally take funding from somewhere else.
This is what’s going to happen
With AI drones and maybe even some “ground drones”, who needs troops?
Could be.
AI taking over and murdering everyone on Earth is definitely on the table here imo, but just bombing forever and with the most damage USA can and has done with old B52s and very heavy bombs. Something that gets missed when people just report the number of bombs or drones or missiles is that they very much are not all created equally and something like a 100lb payload from a Shahed drone (or USA equivalent) is very very different than B52s dumping a bunch of 500-2000lb bombs. And those bombs, even the “smart” ones cost about a 50th as much as one of the fancy interceptor missiles.
It is/will be really poetic. Since the story of Icarus, and probably before that, we have been telling tales of hubris being the downfall of man. It is truly fitting for “our” arrogance to be our end. Bravo, writers, the foreshadowing was A+.
Seems pretty likely there will be enough D votes to cover any R defections on funding the war. Gotta support the troops!
But now, some evidence is emerging that suggests Democratic voters who describe themselves as moderate are in a different place. They want Democrats to push harder to increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations and don’t think the party is overly liberal on issues such as abortion and transgender rights.
amazing that the GOP is only -14
Lol@JD Vance. He will only be prez if Trump dies in office.
