Well except when directed at right wing groups. Saying things people don’t want to hear at church is violence now.
edit: oh you’re serious… ok bud.
You can criticize riots and street violence all you want, but it’s not “violent authoritarianism”.
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Right wingers whine and say things are violence when they aren’t violence.
example:
I dunno man, as someone who watched their house burn down once, it is an absolutely absurd thing to say that doing that intentionally wouldn’t be violence. Go for whatever definition you want though lol.
Micro can you tell me exactly why you’re trying to say lighting a building on fire isn’t violence? Just out of curiosity.
The actual counter to that - I think - from the POV of, say, bobman’s post, is that USA, UK and USSR had a chance to beat the Nazis. The bombing was not doomed to fail.
I’m telling you the definition of violence, a common one and the one that the FBI uses when it classifies crimes as violent or not, requires there to be harm or direct attempt or threat to harm (like robbery vs burglary - which still could result in harm) of a person.
It’s the definition of the word. The people, like you, who define property crime as violence are making a political statement, the same as people who say “silence is violence” (it’s not).
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Of course intentional property damage is violence. Believing otherwise is a bizarre take.
and it can be, but it’s not automatically
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So you’re not trying to make a larger point, basically you’re using FBI as the final and only arbiter of what the word violence means.
Ook then. Weird to see you appeal to the absolute authority of the FBI. Seems like you’re bored.
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Who are you using as the arbiter of what is and isn’t violence?
Micro - the FBI also says that ANTIFA in an insidious organization of terrorists ruining America. Is that true too?
I’m not claiming the FBI is infallible. This is a common thing with you really. You act like it’s virtually impossible that someone could think property crime isn’t violence, get shown that’s wrong, and then you turn it around to where the other party is the one saying it’s impossible that anyone would think property crime isn’t violence.
I’m telling you it’s a common enough definition to not include property crime, so common that it has been part of the way the FBI tracks crime for decades. I’m also telling you that it’s a bunch of right wing idiots who always find themselves on the property crime is violence side.
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No offense to the late, great, Bob Newhart.
Who really cares about how people are defining “violence”?
It’s just a lazy attempt for people trying to win an argument regarding the pro vs. cons of “violent” resistance against the government.
People do. I guess right wingers can’t tell the difference, but many resistance groups on the left that have intentionally done property damage have at least tried to not injure people, while it’s more characteristic of right-wing resistance groups to intentionally injure people. Now there are exceptions of course, but I think it’s pretty much only left-wing groups who have tried to damage property and not people.
You are making a category error assuming something is a discrete type and not a continuum.
When protestors say property damage is not violence they mean compared to physically harming actual people.
If the state is killing people it’s absurd to suggest property damage isn’t a reasonable defence in protest.
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Actually, I’m not the one making the category error.
It’s accurate and reasonable to say something like “personal violence is usually worse than property violence”…even though both are violence.
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And it’s a big picture. It’s not a conspiracy in that people are actively signing up to do this, but the property crime is violence definition is just irresistible to right wingers. Protests become “violent” as soon as one person knocks over a trash can. It’s part of the fear mongering and part of the justification for massive militarized responses. Poor people put their bodies on the line and the rich people are anxious about their property.
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