That’s fine, you pass. If you can also pass on any future misinterpretations that’d also be fine.
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Let me ask you this. Is the goal to win the argument or convince the other side?
They are two very different things requiring different kinds of rhetoric.
My impression is that everyone agrees on this, but sometimes someone saying “capitalism sucks” is seen as threatening and sometimes it’s not depending on who says it.
Like Simplicitus in this thread has expressed support for policy more revolutionary by far than public utilities or medicare for all, and I don’t think anyone is going to tell him that he is trying to run us all off a cliff.
You are among the people who have changed their opinions a fair amount around here. What rhetoric (if rhetoric had anything to do with it) was effective on you?
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I guess “capitalism sucks harder than some systems but less than other systems” is more nuanced but less catchy.
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This is usually a good retort, but is it really directed at Bryce’s post?
OK, now do it with Chinese Communism.
- Research in 1950, stats X,Y,Z were such and such.
- Research In 2020, after suffering under 70 years of Communism, those stats X,Y,Z are now this and that.
- Display in graph format
- Profit !!!1!
Ok, but if you ignore the fact that the capitalist system where impersonal corporations have a fiduciary responsibility to stock holders and a vulnerable political system (they all are) where money buys influence and affects regulation and that will inevitably lead to global catastrophe - if you ignore that - it’s not bad right?
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Is interesting.
Neither the Cultural Revolution nor the start of opening China in 1972 had much impact. The Great Leap Forward period had a massive impact. 1994 (economic liberalization period) is a small inflection point.
I’ll get to reading the thread later but this has to be one of the dumbest OPs I’ve seen in a while. That chart is for the entire world during the time period and some how this big brain genius says hurrr durrr haha anti capitalists ownedd.
Socialist nations definitely didn’t increase life expectancy during that time, the world was al capitalist and all that is because of capitalism baby. Cuban life expectancy in 2018 was higher than the US and their infant mortality rate was lower lol
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Yes.
FYI, this thread was extracted from the LC thread, so the first post wasn’t an OP in the usual sense.
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Is not. Unless you find exercises in results oriented thinking interesting.
The problem here is that @simplicitus’s OP is transparently capitalist propaganda. The correct chart should be this…
Now, up until say yesterday, at this point I’d offer to help my fellow UnStuckers learn how to distinguish propaganda from simple information. But my patience has done warn out with you fools, and you are now on your own.
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I would not put investing in stocks in the same category as “I got a job, bought food, and paid rent because that’s what you have to do to survive in this society”.
I wouldn’t either.
It is objectively stupid regardless of how it came to be.
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This is a great post. What’s the difference between this and one of many Dvault posts? You are asking us to do something rather than just telling us what other people are doing wrong. And for that, it seems like you are characterized as exactly the opposite, someone complaining to the void with no suggestions for what we can do.
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One of the odd things about life expectancy is that there are material components, like drugs and crops, and knowledge components, like pre and postnatal care. Even for material components the awareness that something exists (mosquito nets) or something is harmful (lead) is likely to jump from one society to another with very little barrier. Hell, assuming no famine, even north Korea likely has much better life expectancy than 40 years ago simply because humans know more.
Btw, i posted the OP in the LC thread as a side comment, and i still think it’s a nice rejoinder to jonny-type catastrophism. Sure, everything is super terrible, but now people get to enjoy it for much longer.
Maybe that’s part of the problem, society is now owned and run by (a segment of) the old. Perhaps a true happiness agenda would look a bit more like Logan’s Run.
We don’t have a good way to determine what the WAR of capitalism is.
Unless this is a simulation then I suppose someone is figuring that out.