Jeffrey Epstein and Associates

Ya, I tried reasoning that it wasn’t really a conspiracy to not believe what happened since the official account didn’t make any sense either. If something walks looks like a duck, but talks like a human, and walks like a penguin you can’t say it’s a duck. I agreed that coming up with a theory was idiotic, or believing any theory was also idiotic. I mean the official suicide story seemed the most likely candidate since it was at ~20%, and no other single theory was more than 1% unlike other conspiracy theories where the official account is >99% to be true. I agree that was there was no point in coming up with other theories since no one other than actual investigators with access to multiple people involved would be able to remotely know what was going on and theorizing was stupid. That’s probably why there should have been demands for legit reporters to investigate and not internet sleuths to share their takes so the thread eventually died.

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I’m sure @clovis8 will be by any minute to beg forgiveness since every single fact we’ve subsequently learned has made Epstein’s death even more obviously a murder. j/k he’s totally going to dig in his heels and refuse to even acknowledge any new facts, let alone find out what they are.

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lol you clowns.

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I particularly liked in that 60 Minutes clip how the ‘expert’ acknowledged there was no means to allow for a traditional hanging(insufficient height to moor a noose), but then found it curious the ligature marks were not consistent with an orthodox hanging.

I guess they also amended the time since the last suicide in that facility from 20 years to 14 years. And the ‘expert’ also said there have been 1000 suicides in NY State correctional facilities in the last 40 years.

Any reservations that this guy was hired by the Epstein family?

Lots of broken cameras! Weird how there was basically zero monitoring of a supposedly suicidal inmate! Come the fuck on. He had dozens of mega elites banging kids at houses we know he was filming. He got off once and the guy who let him go got appointed to a cabinet post. Les Wexner, a literal multi billionaire, gave him absolute power of attorney for no apparent reason. But we’re the stupid gullible ones for being suspicious.

lots of broken bones! among even survivors of attempts at hanging themselves, a simple google search would yield !

but this authority on the subject, after examining the data on 1000 suicides and guzzling his Metamucil, rarely found any!

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this thread suggests otherwise

Suicide is clearly still on the table, it’s just that stock in it has dropped significantly since we first learned he was dead. Amazing how many people simply cannot deal with that. Rivaldo’s especially fun, since his whole affect is world-weary cynicism (he’s practiced raising one eyebrow in the mirror, bet that) but his actual stance is the most wide-eyed naivete possible. The kind of sap you need to be, just for starters, to believe that those 1000 suicides were all unquestionably suicides defies proper description.

what’s the problem precisely?

a good percentage are fratricide or worse, eh?

The idea that none of them are murders seems implausible, but if that’s your best comeback, you probably know that.

wtf does that have to do with anything germane?

the old man that y’all need so badly to have the last word on this matter reviewed the data

those murdered never sustained anymore profound injury to the neck, I guess

You tell me, you brought the number up.

I brought it up to illustrate the horseshit that was being peddled up-thread was hopeful at the time(no suicide in the facility in 20 years)

they now say the last suicide at that particular facility was 14 years back, and that more broadly there’s been a thousand in the state of NY in the last 40 years.

All of which, this old goof found dissimilar to Epstein’s injuries and despite even survivors suffering a variety of fractures and broken bones

I like Rivaldo but this cracked me up.

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This most recent 60 Minutes segment also noted how this jail was designed to house 350, but housed twice that. That it was bug infested and filthy dirty. And y’all got a look at those 2 most qualified jailers, i assume. Incompetence and overcrowding reigned.

There was no VIP treatment for Jeff, no monitoring. They had him on watch, then they didn’t. It’s up to you how you spin that.

And, as I say, the idea that they all indeed were suicides, and none of them were murders that weren’t investigated properly because lol who cares about prisoners, is not the jaded, been-around-the-block position you seem to think it is.

How many detention facilities are there in NY state, btw? If there were a thousand in all of NY in 40 years, and the last one in this facility was 14 years ago, do you think that makes this one appear less extraordinary? Think again.

I always say, if you want to kill yourself, pick somewhere crowded. Makes it way easier.

lol

he had no cell/bunk-mate and was un-monitored for hours… that was provided in the 60 Minutes piece, too

nice platitude, though