Nah the difference between us is I actually want Bernie to win and realize we need all the democrats to back him for him to do that. And I understand people, and people are petty and will 100% not vote for someone because that person supporters attacked them and hurt their feelings. Will that make them shitbags? Yes, but it’ll also mean the end of fucking democracy and you probably in a death camp.
We’ve had this conversation a million times so this is my last post about it. But you’re doing Bernie a massive disservice and if he saw your posting I’m pretty confident he’d tell you to snap the fuck out of it. I mean he’s been preaching unity, and some of his supporters are online saying anyone who doesn’t support Bernie is basically a Trump supporter. Lets catch some bees with honey. You don’t gotta be super nice to these people, just stop being a world class asshole lol…
Trump had an opponent, Bill Weld, who actually got like 10% of the vote in New Hampshire. The most anyone other than Obama got in the Democratic Primary in New Hampshire in 2012 was 4% and that was Ron Paul and Mitt Romney came in third and Jon Huntsman came in fourth. (All troll votes)
I admit, I don’t share your hatred of Buttigieg either, but at the risk of derailing into an endless poo-slinging contest over the evil of the center, I shall demur.
This is completely false, but I wonder if you think that Johnson was taking votes that Clinton might have gotten instead of votes that Trump might have gotten.
I have no idea. I don’t necessarily harbor the view that Johnson played some kind of spoiler. (I do think that Stein was a Russian asset though). I was just responding that even if you think he did, it’s not in the same category as an election where trump isn’t even on the ballot.
I strongly disagree that “we all generally want the same stuff.”
The failure of the so-called left to deliver tangible benefits to what should be its core constituencies is how we fucking got here. “What are you gonna do, vote for the other guys” is not a winning message.
I am strongly, vehemently opposed to neoliberalism and will not be “same team” shamed out of aggressively defending that position.
That’s fine - but the type of “debate” that has been championed by a few posters here is bad, full stop. For the movement, for the site, for humanity in general. It’s just terrible.
In a conference call with his central committee two days after the caucuses, Mr. Price was pressed by two members over the appearance of cronyism because of his friendships, dating to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, with a senior adviser to Mr. Buttigieg who is married to the founder of the company that developed the caucus app. (The New York Times was provided with a call-in number for the call.)
“We have seen the pictures of you, Troy, with app developers and people with the Buttigieg campaign, and that’s concerning,” said Holly Brown, a committee member. She told Mr. Price he should not be involved in a planned post-mortem of what went wrong. “We’d like to have you removed from this,” she said.
Judy Downs, the executive director of the Polk County Democrats — who is not on the State Central Committee — said in an interview that she had been worried about the appearance of cronyism. “Some of the decisions just made it really hard to defend against accusations of cronyism, or conspiracy, frankly,” she said.
Good for them. Keeping the appearance of cronyism out is good for everyone. Also the sheer incompetence didn’t help
Warren’s mask coming off over the past six months might have had something to do with that.
This isn’t hard to follow. Well, except for the guy running had goddam mouth off at a plan he didn’t read but oh yeah thanks for showing me now I get it.
for carrying their water