Homeowners association Karen

Bins are an eyesore and taking them back in once they’ve been emptied does show consideration for others, so there’s that.

The rest sounds like nonsense.

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Yeah, I agree. This happened to coincide with me being awake 54 out of 58 hours due to the election, just completely forgot about it.

Are you renting or you own? Find the HOA rules, along with how they are enforceable on tenants in your jurisdiction. What does your lease say about the HOA rules, if anything?

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I’m renting. My lease says I am bound by HOA rules, but my landlord hasn’t given them to me. I asked him for a copy, waiting to hear back. Also signed up for the HOA website, waiting to get my account confirmed.

I’m going to offer a slightly different take on giving her your phone number… Based on what you’ve written we don’t know for sure that your neighbor has full-blown “Karen” or just “Karen” tendencies.

If you remove the potential for Karen-ness, neighbors having each others’ phone numbers is a good thing in many situations, so I’d chance it. Plus being friendly to her might blunt her worst impulses if she’s not full-blown. If she turns out to be a problem you can just ignore her phone calls or block her number.

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Karen is probably pissed at having a renter in her neighborhood.

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Doesn’t seem that way!

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Maybe, but there is also a common behavior pattern with the worst HOA self appointed police where when you give them an inch they take a mile. Once they know that they can influence your behavior, they’re prone to start looking for more behavior that they want you to change. My inclination is, unless you are willfully or grossly violating rules, you should drag out the process and make it at hard as possible for her. Essentially charge her a tax on being a busybody.

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So I finally got a copy of the HOA rules, not a word about fire pits whatsoever, let alone a propane burner fire table. She would have to complain that the light source was a nuisance, that’s her only avenue to complain and it’s ridiculous.

Or if I burned leaves in it she could get me lol…

On the other hand, my Hate Has No Home Here flag is against the rules. It says American flags only. You get a first warning and then a second warning and a $5/day fine, so I’m inclined to leave it up until the second warning. If she wants to start something about the flag, there’s a Trump lawn flag still up down the block, and a pumpkin/harvest flag around the corner.

I’ll take mine down when they take theirs down. I’m happy to follow any rules that are uniformly enforced.

So I guess I’d like to not cause her to go through all the rules with a fine tooth comb and figure out that my flag is contraband, so if I see her I’ll just thank her for the heads up, let her know I checked and there is nothing about fires, let alone a propane burner - and propane grills are confirmed to be ok, and let her know I learned I have to get snow off the sidewalk within 24 hours, which I thought was the association’s job not mine, so it’s good that I got a copy and looked.

I’ll reassure her I’m safe and have a fire extinguisher as per the rules for grills (BTW Karen, do you have a fire extinguisher for your grill?), and any guests are going to be low key, so hopefully nobody has any issues.

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Good approach.

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