Does not compute
We all have cashed out, those people were not so lucky.
Does an apparent refusal to win make you an addict? Or is this a different condition? There are guys Iāve seen fairly frequently playing poker, but Iāve quite literally never seen them cash out. Granted, I do relatively short sessions.
Iāve also seen a lot of people at table games get way up, only to blow it all back. Its like they are determined to lose and wonāt be satisfied until theyāve burned every penny, no matter how much they were ahead. Iāve never known for sure if I was seeing an addict or just a dope.
I consider myself a break even player basically. Havenāt played since covid began. I donāt tilt at poker for some reason, and if I lose my roll for that day, I leave without giving it much thought. Table games tilt the fuck out of me. I donāt play those much either anymore, but going to Vegas for nearly a week soonā¦and probably doing some light dabbling.
Soā¦ who are you? I immediately assume RAIDS when I see a join date of 3 days ago.
I would. Sort of.
No srsly, this has been debunked and in fact the reason people relapse so hard is precisely because they are taught that if they have a drink (or place a bet or whatev) then itās all over. AA-style addiction approaches are actually unintentionally evil imo.
I mean, think about it, instill somebody with so much potential shame if they happen to lose their willpower for even a second that the shame, feeling like a failure, is one big trigger leading to the destructive behavior.
ok so I grunched on what was among the first few replies, story checks out
You replied to himā¦
I literally just referred to it aboveā¦
Holy shitā¦
EDIT: LOLOL AT ME FOR DOING THE SAME THING AS SMACC
BIG ASS RED C
edit 2: sorry for the @ and I could delete this whole post but I thought itās funny
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Wait wat like a person shuffling and dealing actual cards to you with actual chips you have to pick up and place in the middle and what not?
Just thinking about how agonizing that must be if real is making me want to drink.
Way less than 10% make money!
Itās not been debunked, what I said is āItās onā which for an addict who takes his 1 St hit of his poison again after a stay of abstinence it is in fact āOnā now whether that leads the path of him going back to full addiction or becoming a somewhat manageable habit or even seeking help, is the part thatās debatable. But whatās not debatable is every addict starts with the figure of 1.
Humans are a wide variety and every story imaginable will be in a meeting at some point or said by an addict at some session on a couch.
Thatās the weird thing about addiction is that everyoneās can and will be different in some way and all human addiction will have some or all the traits.
The Idea that itās the statement from a addiction team saying not to go back and keep total abstinence is not to be used as a hammer but Infact a sign that the addiction part of the brain maybe overtaking the sensible parts again and you should seek the help you require, alough some specialist will use it as a hammer it is definitely wrong to punish or put a recovering addict in that spot as much as avoiding his 1st hit of poison.
Itās a major part of recovery that any decent addiction treatment centre should employ. Donāt make him feel bad.
My original statement
I donāt say this often, but this thread is terrible. Thereās so much empathy in other threads regarding addiction and mental health that to see these glaring blind spots is jarring
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Seriously itās like sitting in a casino discussing addiction issues with the clientel and hearing the responses.
Just to make sure weāre talking about the same thing, Iām saying the concept that an addict need to be totally abstinent forever is bad science pushed by AA-style rehabs that not only doesnāt really work, actually makes things worse.
I hope you all donāt mean me. I care about addicts and thatās precisely why I hate AA-style approaches and thinking.
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Itās weird. Weāve grown in the 21st century to be sensitive of peopleās trigger warnings. That is an indication different people have different experiences which have lead to different traumas. Yet, we still treat every addict the same. It is stuck in the 70s way of thinking.
I genuinely didnāt know AA traced back to the 1930s and has barely changed since. Thatās bad!
Did you get to this yet:
The Big Book, AAās bible, states:
Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way.
Shit is fucking horrific.
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