Everyone's out of step but me - Cactus's Covid Appreciation Thread

[WichitaDM]

Exactly.

[WichitaDM]

Which is more likely to be true:

-A 6 week lockdown that ended 6 months ago plus having to wear masks some places is causing a massive mental health crisis.

or

-Having a deadly pandemic raging for almost a year, killing over a quarter million with no end in sight while our government has no discernable plan to end it is causing a massive mental health crisis.

It’s obviously the second. People arguing it is #1 are being totally disingenuous if for no other reason than if you controlled the virus we could get much closer to going back to normal. People aren’t going back to normal because the virus is raging, not because there are onerous government restrictions.

[eyebooger]

@Cactus

But the biggest reason we have so many preventable deaths in the US is inconsistent messaging in our politics. To the point where almost half the country is anti science or still thinks it’s some kind of a hoax. The very best thing that can be done is to pay people to stay at home, rather than tell people to stay home and by the way, if you lose your job good luck paying your bills because you’re on your own. It’s all in the failed messaging stupid

You keep bringing this up as if it strengthens your argument. It doesn’t. In fact, it weakens it quite a bit.

Because we have a vacuum of national leadership (and in many places, state and local leadership) on this issue, it’s even more incumbent upon all of us to make proper choices as individuals to minimize the risk of spreading the virus.

[CanadaMatt3004]

@eyebooger

it’s even more incumbent upon all of us to make proper choices as individuals to minimize the risk of spreading the virus.

Well hot dog, we have a Weiner

[mosdef]

@eyebooger

it’s even more incumbent upon all of us to make proper choices as individuals to minimize the risk of spreading the virus.

This is the libertarian gambit, though. By definition they assume all individual personal choices made selfishly are “proper”. Invisible hand, etc.

[Yuv]

@Cactus

My point stands. Most people will NOT die from this and have very little to worry about. The number of deaths is truly tragic and we should all do our share to prevent as many as possible. But if you or anyone you know has an underlying condition that puts them at increased risk, they should quarantine and not go NEAR anyone who was likely exposed.

Gjge America.

[oneeyedtripping]

Come on guys, you haven’t written a letter to everyone being dumb so why keep telling dumb ol cactus how he’s being dumb. Chess and mate.

[oneeyedtripping]

Cactus won’t let something like facts and science get in his way. The deaths are tragic and we should all do our part* to limit them

*well except cactus he has to go lift bro

[catfacemeowmers]

@Cactus

As to the person who said my gf may have exposed someone at a bar or on the plane, those are high risk places and if you’re in a bar, gym, plane, etc., and get covid, I think you’re a goddamn fool if you try to blame anyone but yourself.

There are people who work in these places. Those people also go to the grocery store and pharmacy. The other people they see in the grocery store will, in turn, see more people.

There are also people on planes for more important reasons than going to fucking bar hop in New York.

[microbet]

@Cactus

If either of them became deathly ill (or if I become deathly ill), that’s on us.

Are you all ready to jump in an incinerator if this happens or will you put people at risk?

Eta: Fwiw I’m completely in agreement for this line of argument for motorcycling or base jumping or going off into the wild naked and alone. A contagious disease is different unless you can truly insure you don’t transmit it even if you get sick. And I’m not saying the line separating reasonable living from being wreckless is obvious, but there is such a thing here as wrecklessly endangering people for very poor reasons.

[NotBruceZ]

I think it’s been necessary to try to generate a fearful overreaction to compensate for failed federal leadership, but this may result in blowback if it makes it harder to move people in the right direction when we do have competent leadership.

[Cactus]

@ElSapo

I also believe the mental health impacts of some peoples’ covid responses and protocols are, overall, worse than the impacts of the virus.

Here, here. The mental health and utter economic chaos and turmoil people will be thrown into in the aftermath is far worse than the actual virus itself imo and should be our biggest concern after getting a vaccine out

@LouisCyphre

So waitresses, bartenders, flight attendants, gym instructors etc. only have themselves to blame?

No. Those are front line workers who imo should be receiving some sort of double time hazard pay. No one (definitely not me) ever said masks, distancing, and safety precautions shouldn’t be strictly followed in their presence

@WichitaDM

Excess deaths this year actually has the largest percentage increase in people 25-44 as old people die more on average from just about everything ldo(from the CDC):

That’s kinda my point. Old people are more likely to die falling down too. So what percent in the 24-44 range actually die or suffer long term effects from covid? Of course, it’s going to be higher than normal, but it’s my understanding that it’s still actually quite low

@mosdef

Those same people also strenuously object to, say, any government funded health care including mental health care. Makes one question their sincerity.

Generalize much?

@WichitaDM

-A 6 week lockdown that ended 6 months ago plus having to wear masks some places is causing a massive mental health crisis.

Btw, I 100% agree this is what should’ve been done

@eyebooger

Because we have a vacuum of national leadership (and in many places, state and local leadership) on this issue, it’s even more incumbent upon all of us to make proper choices as individuals to minimize the risk of spreading the virus.

I agree. And I’m one of the people who does just that. I wear my mask any time I’m out in public or go into a local store. And that’s why I say if I go to a gym or bar, I don’t feel I’m endangering anyone but myself. I have zero extended contact with anyone who’s old or compromised. I wear a mask at all other times. If I were to start feeling sick, I’d stay home and quarantine. I DID stay home and quarantine when my gf had it. In my mind that’s being responsible. What’s irresponsible is going to a bar, gym, or getting on a plane and blaming something else for getting it or giving it to someone else

@microbet

And I’m not saying the line separating reasonable living from being wreckless is obvious, but there is such a thing here as wrecklessly endangering people for very poor reasons.

I agree and just fail to see how I’m being reckless. I’m less reckless than 80% of the people I encounter every day. Many who don’t wear masks or have them down past their nose, etc. Or take them off once inside a store. I have a mask around my neck at all times and put it on any time there’s a chance of coming across another person

[LouisCyphre]

@Cactus

Those are front line workers who imo should be receiving some sort of double time hazard pay.

1. They are not frontline workers. They are forced to work because some assholes don‘t give a shit if they live or die.
2. They are not getting hazard pay. They are still forced to work because some assholes don’t give a shit if they live or die.

[CanadaMatt3004]

@Cactus

No one (definitely not me) ever said masks, distancing, and safety precautions shouldn’t be strictly followed in their presence

Except when working out at a gym. Then, fuck those guys… gotta get SWOLLLLLLLL

[mosdef]

@Cactus

Generalize much?

#notalllibertarians

[Nicholasp27]

You didn’t quarantine when you went into the office one day

Masks aren’t 100%

Wearing a mask into the supermarket after increasing your chance of being contagious at the gum DOES put others at risk…I feel like this is the point you are constantly missing

[nobody]

Not just old dispensable people half of America has underlying conditions…

[mukdukaluk]

And everybody fully recovers from covid haven’t you heard? No long term damage to the lungs or other major organs or anything. The entire populace will be perfectly healthy when we look back on this in 5 or 10 years (or even less).

[amead]

Isn’t it hilarious how absolutely 100% of people who have said “the economic impact of the virus is worse than the virus itself” haven’t buried a loved one who suffered an agonizing end from COVID-19?

And by hilarious, I mean these hypothetical people can go fuck themselves.

[Cactus]

@LouisCyphre

• They are not frontline workers. They are forced to work because some assholes don‘t give a shit if they live or die.
• They are not getting hazard pay. They are still forced to work because some assholes don’t give a shit if they live or die.

You gotta explain this because I’m literally too dumb to understand it. People are forced to travel and get groceries and supplies delivered, because people don’t give a shit if they live or die? How so? Or are you only talking about restaurant, barkeeps, and gym personnel? Then they forced to work because of those patronizing the establishments they work for?

@CanadaMatt3004

Except when working out at a gym. Then, fuck those guys… gotta get SWOLLLLLLLL

You keep saying this, but it’s an incredibly simple concept that even a child could understand. If you’re not worried and others aren’t worried, then go to a gym if it’s open. If you’re worried or have someone else to worry about, then STAY THE FUCK HOME!

@mosdef

#notalllibertarians

Haha libertarian who encourages government involvement. Nice try tho. GTFO with your dumbass BS

@Nicholasp27

You didn’t quarantine when you went into the office one day

This is like the 10th time I’ve repeated this. I was forced to go into work by my boss

@PocketChads

I just want him to admit that his anger over the way his GF negatively affected his life is anger over something that is completely trivial compared to the EV his activities have to negatively affecting other people’s lives and deaths.

I was more disappointed at my gf for not considering my job. I was angry at my boss for making me come in. I also it might be it might be informative because I wasn’t sure if anyone else had posted their real time experience living with covid. Obviously, that didn’t work out

I initially thought this entire forum was a good one that would have inciteful progressive discussions on it. But it’s just a bunch of disingenuous self righteous lying pricks who like to circle jerk into each other’s mouths. Have fun with that and don’t forget to brush your teeth before kissing your mothers