dude, I’m in a super tuesday state and your vote still counted for between 100 and 1000 times as much as mine, and you threw it away! I honestly don’t know how you can still show up around here.
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So here’s the thing, because of the way caucuses work, I actually did more to help Bernie’s campaign than your Super Tuesday vote did. Whether I caucused for Warren or Bernie made no difference in the delegates awarded at my precinct, which is all that matters. What I did do is help make sure that both Biden and Pete didn’t receive a delegate in my precinct. So Bernie was +1 precinct delegate over Biden and Pete at my location which was the best possible outcome he could have hoped for there.
What you are not answering is the question I actually asked. We know that the Democratic establishment was going to do everything they could to not allow Bernie to be the nominee. We know that Bernie had a huge fundraising and campaign infrastructure advantage over Biden and this still wasn’t enough. So again, what is the scenario where you think Bernie could have won?
like you said, the dem establishment was always going to go all-in on stopping bernie. it was, from day 1, a clear choice between the establishment politics that brought us to this moment, and Bernie Sanders.
if you didn’t choose bernie then you bear some responsibility
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I know you’re not going to agree with me on this but some of us knew this was going to be the outcome early on and that’s why we backed Warren. Warren was the candidate that could champion the left and sell those policies to the establishment. She also is an infinitely better debater than Bernie and would have eviscerated Biden on stage in a heads up debate.
Warren’s support was made up of former Bernie supporters who saw the writing on the wall with Bernie and Hillary supporters from 2016 who saw Warren as the best chance to see a woman be elected President. In a world where Bernie never runs and endorses Warren, that is the coalition needed to win the nomination from the left.
Ultimately in politics it turns out it’s more important to win than to be right, so the left throwing their support behind a candidate that the party told us from the start they were never going to let win is ultimately why we are stuck with Biden. Until you realize that, you’re going to be stuck screaming into the ether on this one. When Bernie won the first 3 states I hoped and believed that I was wrong in my initial evaluation that Bernie couldn’t win, but it’s exactly what happened.
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Warren moved away from Medicare for all and then knifed the progressive movement when they took Issue. Then she lost all her progressive support. Then she helped the establishment a lot by sitting out an endorsement. She is a lip service candidate that turned out to be a super pac taking liar. She ended up being terrible. I’m glad we don’t have her.
People who stuck with her through all that are complicit.
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Ultimately, the left in our country isn’t big enough to win the Democratic nomination without the ability to have a core group from the moderate establishment wing that they can pull in.
Obama was left of Hillary and beat her by pulling in African American moderates. Warren’s path would have been a coalition of the left and Moderate female Hillary supporters who wanted a women President. Bernie never had the moderate core group he could get to back him.
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You’d snap call her over Biden and she would have had more room to run to the left without Bernie in the race.
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No shit she’s better than the sun downing fool. She also ran a terrible campaign and was worse than Bernie and deserved to lose.
Warren didn’t want progressives on her side. Talk to her about that.
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This argument is pointless. Even if every Warren voter had voted for Bernie he still would have lost.
The fundamental problem is that voters are easily manipulated morons, and I don’t have a solution for that.
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This.
And add that to a combination of one or two undeniable factors:
- the demographics in the US haven’t shifted enough, or even if they just barely have,
- Bernie is/was just not a good enough candidate. I supported him too, but it’s pretty clear from the results.
I mean think about how Biden is being viewed as a candidate in this forum. No imagine being unable to even come close to beating him.
Here’s a start for how Bernie could have won
-Warren doesn’t abandon the Medicare for All bill in the Senate, keeps running an issues based campaign, doesn’t play into the ‘bernie supporters as sexists’ trope, but then eventually has to drop out because she can’t get minority support. She then endorses her “friend” in the Senate, saying she’s with the guy that wants health care as a right.
-Yang doesn’t take a CNN paycheck to lie to the American public saying that the MATH says Bernie can’t win.
Both of them acknowledge that Bernie Sanders was the best candidate for their working class base. The base that they bragged about over and over and over when they talked about $20 average donations and the like.
Both of these people abandoned the working class and their rich, well off fans that didn’t need the money excused the behavior.
Warren’s behavior after dropping out has been shameful. Anyone who defends it is a bootlicking establishment tool that doesn’t give a crap about the working people in this country.
Also she takes money from billionaires that send money to Nazis. I’m glad we don’t have her.
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Cool we’re talking about Liz Warren 
🤷:+1:
Bernie has been right on issues more than Warren. At the same time Warren has gotten more done for the working class of this country than Bernie has.
If there’s anything that the left needs to learn from the Republicans it is the fact that it is more important to win than be right. We can’t keep watching progress move in the other direction because we’re on the right side of the issue but they win.
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cite or ban
seriously
agreed
This is bigger than the entirety of Bernie’s legislative career. He’s been on the right side of issues for his entire career but show me what he’s actually gotten done.
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false
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The establishment was never going to let Warren get the nomination either, and if you think they would have you’re way more naive than the bernie supporters. All I’m getting from your arguments is that you think biden is a better candidate than bernie, which is just nuts. The fact that the world is ending and our government is going to make sure our country gets hit the worst and you still can’t admit that warren just isn’t helping anything is amazing.
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“you didn’t build that”
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Please explain to me how the CFPB has really benefited your average American. Since its inception in 2010, nothing has happened except the institutions it is supposed to regulate have become wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and the wealth gap in this country has only risen exponentially. It is a good idea for sure, but its practical effect is meh.
Meanwhile, Bernie has successfully pushed the conversations on student debt, healthcare, taxes, and the environment further left than anyone thought possible.
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