Dead and nearly departed Covidiots

[boredsocial]

Yes but they aren’t 40% of the white population I’m guessing… and their racism isn’t the most important piece of ideological terrain in their nations politics.

And my larger point is that I can’t even pretend like these people aren’t at fault for their own views anymore. I really did used to think that they were just regurgitating the propaganda they were being fed… but now I realize that they are in fact consumers that picked what they wanted and until they want something else there will always be another person willing to fulfill their demand.

[boredsocial]

The poster who works for the weapons manufacturing company can argue extremely plausibly that someone else would be doing it if they didn’t. They were paid by some evil people to do some evil work, and if they passed they’d just offer it to the next candidate.

COVID-19 deniers on the other hand have opted to live in an Alternate Reality and don’t give a fuck who it hurts. If they decided to do something different there would be less bad stuff happening in the world.

[Smacc_25]

@boredsocial

. These people aren’t that poor or that downtrodden

False, they have poor education and most will have been downtrodden because that’s the Republican way (Tory/Conservative here in UK)

@boredsocial

If there’s one thing that’s been made abundantly clear over the last 5 years, for me at least, it’s that these people are hateful because they’ve chosen hate of their own free will.

I know it’s not super super easy to understand from Scotland, but racism is these people’s big anchoring belief… because telling themselves that they are better than POC’s is how these people cope with the crippling insecurity of falling short of their wildly unrealistic dreams. (I’m not suggesting there’s no racism in Scotland… just that it’s not as dominant a factor as it is here)

The’ve had a whole machine at work their whole life and probably there parents too, there’s posters here whom where brought up the same and managed to break free and its a testament to how difficult it is to think outside the group think that’s prevalent in the USA, its a racist country through and through (So is the UK Btw) and the answers out of it ain’t mocking them that’s for sure, and that’s what I’m saying, whether there the Ford pick up drivers or the boat owning trumpers, the’ve all been victims, some more than others sure, some know exactly what there doing and are too far gone to help, I get that, I get that people want to cheer when they go down, after all this germ warfare, a serious game and most here won’t do it while out in public and maybe think the same as I do, or I hope they do in that this mocking is no-way to conduct ourselves in front of other irl and that the way out of it is stopping the massive disinformation campaigns being run by the evil that resides in our society.

And that’s exactly like weapons manufacturing, 99.99999999% know it ain’t for defence and is Infact for the greed of a few men.

It’s like mocking the RWNJ’s who hunt/shoot at the range and hit their friend by accident, I’m sure its happened here before and I’m sure it will happened again and I’m sure we all know that that is also wrong, even alough his FB is probably full of gun posts.

[Aofrantic]

If the person who works for the weapons company starts saying bullets and bombs don’t actually kill people and are liberal hoaxes, I’ll equate them.

We’re making fun of them mostly for their hubris and stupidity.

[Smacc_25]

@boredsocial

(I’m not suggesting there’s no racism in Scotland… just that it’s not as dominant a factor as it is here)

It is in my city and I would urge anyone visiting my city never to wear a CelticFC in or around the city centre whether there’s a match on or not as you will receive some comments that are not always good.

@boredsocial

There is tremendous demand for this shit in this country and no matter what someone will always be happy to fill that demand, because it’s a sure fire road to wealth and power. The only solution is to make the life of the average person better, educate the next generation better, and wait for these assholes to die… because their minds aren’t going to do any changing.

I agree here with the sentement of these words, it’s the easy way out for some in this time frame of 2021, it’s just that I live among the UK versions of these and I’ve managed to talk some sence into a few of them, it takes time and usually a life changing/threatening moment though, and as I type that I’m thinking that Covid-19 is too and not a lot of people in the States seem to be making it through to the media to tell the audience how the’ve seen the light, which again proves even the so called Liberal MSM is fucking fucking us too, maybe there’s just no way out and racism will always be present in our society’s, believe me here in our city its bad when you look for it, it’s not 1990’s bad or thankfully 1970’s/60’s bad, tbh the 70’s here was awful, geez my grandparents met once and that was before my parents marriage at the meeting of the In-laws in my Catholic grandmothers house, my protestant grandparents where never their again ever.

So who knows, maybe bigitory/racism is just always going to be there and it’s pretty rude to say that we Europeans don’t know what racism is, just because it’s not as obvious to Americans or as out in the open, ffs it was us whom started it all, without going back to all of frances/British and the Eastern Europeans historical history’s on racism, the Europeans have been at this shite for x10 as long as the americas.

But we ain’t here for whom the worst, and that’s why I hate this thread, if it’s a relief system for you, then as I said I ain’t criticising you for it, I just find it all very childish now and boring.

I’m here for solutions, twitter is for the mocking… And even then for actual sports.

[TheHip41]

@Rugby

Thats a little unnecessary.

There’s definitely an element of mocking and laughing. At least in my opinion. And having an opinion you disagree with isn’t an excuse to jump to “go back and read the thread” patronizing either.

The point I was trying to make was that shitting on strangers (which I dont have a real issue with) feels fundamentally different than actively doing something to someone you know.

Respectually get the f out of this thread. Let us dance

[Smacc_25]

@Aofrantic

If the person who works for the weapons company starts saying bullets and bombs don’t actually kill people and are liberal hoaxes, I’ll equate them.

We’ll I’m sure if questionsed on the matter and a sustained campaign was in motion to rid the US of the military industrial complex we’d be seeing all this stuff, like we don’t shoot innocent people and our bullets are only for the bad guys that we see around today, I’m sure some people will have to justify it in there own heads if there capable of getting over the already blindspot imo in that they work to profit some elite section of society and since the military budget was just passed this weekend with a bonus, even though Afghanistan is off the table, but the reconciliation and all the good stuff for the general public probably won’t tells you a lot about the priorities of these elites and reafims my point, that if they were attacked we’d see the same disinformation campaigns start up too.

[Lawnmower_Man]

I really don’t think it matters if you believe they are victims of brainwashing or don’t believe in free will. There’s a basic instinct to protect one’s self, family, and friends, and arguably this can be extended to include more abstract concepts like property, status quo, life in general, etc. The latter concept is more debatable but the former one really isn’t, and any threat to self / family is correctly perceived as a very serious threat. Giving people every chance to not be that threat and then watching them cough on people on purpose is peace out territory for me. I don’t really care how they arrived at that point.

[Rugby]

You’re like the 4th person to ignore the words I’ve actually typed. I have no issue you with laughing at strangers who win HCAs.

Edit. In fact. I’m here for it.

[MrWookie]

It seems to, uh, strain credibility that you can insist these people are poor and downtrodden but then also grant that they have enough money to afford nearly $100k trucks with money left over for boats (and oh, by the way, they also have enough time to post internet memes on Facebook all day). Trump is massively popular with white people who, like, own car dealerships or franchise restaurants. He’s massively popular with business owners who are forcing their far-more-downtrodden employees to come to work and to work without masks. The US certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on racists or racism, but ours might well be different from yours if you’re insisting that these people are overwhelmingly lower class. Tons of ours have decent jobs or own businesses and shit. Trump won among all people who make $100k or more, and Biden was much more popular with people making less than $50k compared with those making more. These people are overwhelmingly our middle class or upper middle class. Our lower class is overwhelmingly Black and Hispanic.

[Buddha]

Many of these virulent antivax/antimask people are not mouth breathers. They are relatively affluent and have judged the risk to them and their kids as minimal.

They do not want to be told what to do or be otherwise inconvenienced in any way. They care nothing for their neighbor, society’s health, or the old and weak. Conservatism in a nutshell.

Now they may have some misgivings about this stance. So they go online and seek out ‘studies’ or doctors that will downplay Covid mitigation and reinforce their profound selfishness. And then loudly and proudly tout this information as proof the rest of us are nuts.

Bottom line: They are self absorbed pigs who don’t give a shit about millions of dead at all. We have a duty to celebrate their demise, to point and laugh. Their selfishness kills innocents in a horrifying way, and it’s cathartic!

[mosdef]

@Buddha

They are relatively affluent and have judged the risk to them and their kids as minimal.

Totally agree with your overall point, but on this specifically I would also add that many of them feel this way because it has been their lived experience. The relatively affluent white dumbasses have a whole society designed to bail them out from their failures and protect them from the stupid risks they take. OF COURSE they think that this is the case with Covid.

[Lawnmower_Man]

Right, it’s perceived threat. Not everyone perceives threats accurately which leads to unusual outcomes like anti-vaxx shitbag cops shooting unarmed black people yet dying from covid more than any other cause.

[Trolly]

All hands on deck:

https://twitter.com/steinkobbe/status/1442272859347308545?s=20

[Smacc_25]

I’ll answer for a change…

I get that, I get that the UK racists/bigots are slightly different from the US bigots but its not all about the level of class and that’s probably a bad way of putting it, it affects all levels of social class, I’m sure the human race is pretty equal across most spectrums/Class or otherwise, its a belief I have that there is equal good and bad across most sections of the human race, its one of the great mysterys and I’m sure as a dad you understand that not all kids learn at the same rate but are equal or will learn that task effectively the same if taught correctly or as a teacher/academic that people are pretty equal in a general sence and can be taught most things, it is sometimes the teaching methods that will provide the outcomes for some.

I’m not even against these people getting their dues paid, as I said above, its germ warfare on a global scale and the fix ain’t going to be easy, if we ever recover as a society or even recover personally and if you need to put a few memes up, then so be it, but don’t think for one minute that’s its not childish after what 18 months and I’m bored with the shite.

New toys only last for a while in this hyper-capitalist society and as the doctor has said, its also pretty disgusting when you have to work with these people, well Ive took them to hospital and had to hear their loved ones on the way to whatever it is there off too and the reasons why their not getting Jab too, maybe it’s that that’s got to me, maybe it’s just that living in a country that’s also full of the disinformation and has prime time radio and TV shows dedicated to it on national coverage and such that’s doing me head in too, its probably all it and I’m sick to my stomach because it ain’t fun and throwing out memes about it just feels wrong now.

As for my post about the generalised rasism I posted above, sure it was quickly written and poorly worded, no doubts about that and massive bits of information left oot, I should have clarified it and as I’ve said above here in this post, the racist elements of Britain among white people tends to be pretty equal across all classes and in the USA I’m still generally learning and that the rasism tends to be pretty wide spread across most states with rural being the worst.

It’s also why I’ve always said I like this forum, so please don’t take the above paragraph as me having a dig alough it sort of is, it’s pretty much the way I write and say things, as I’ve always said here, writing and explaining/expressing myself on a message board ain’t my best subject.

Peace

[Aofrantic]

I think you would learn a lot through this article

American Gentry

[NotBruceZ]

Do you think it would be possible to monetize the suffering of dead COVID deniers with a podcast or Youtube version of the Herman Cain Awards that does a deeper dive into why these people were shit?

[Rugby]

Yes. I think you would need access to friends and family to do it properly though.

[VoteForSocialists]

local news just said a 38yo wa state trooper died of covid. you’d think almost 10 months after a vaccine was available conservatives would do something about the scourge abolishing the police, but guess not.

[Jalfrezi]

@Aofrantic

We’re making fun of them mostly for their hubris and stupidity.

Ah ok.

So it’s a race to the bottom?