Probably because the schools are open for business.
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My best friendās a nurse and has been trying to convince me we can hang out again. I canāt tell if he was given bad info, is mistaken, or flat out lying, but heās claiming he was told that he 95% canāt transmit the virus anymore.
Not gonna post the full convo, it gets a little more heated from here, but hereās his claim:
Kind of horrified tbh.
Lol no. Just the child of an educator of 40+ years.
But Iām from a poor city in a poor state. Iām sure itās different in the affluent areas of Seattle.
If someone wants to tell me Iām wrong Iāll be stoked but my understanding is given the available research there is no evidence that vaccinated people cannot still shed virus.
Iām worried heās just gonna go about his normal routine without a care in the world and infect a ton of people. His floor used to be post op care or something but itās been converted to a covid floor. Iām told that many floors were converted to covid floors. Heās gonna kill someone.
From my understanding is the general consensus ITT is that heās sort of right, we just donāt have the data to prove it because they didnāt test for it. If people could still get and spread the virus after the vaccine like normal it would kind of go against how this shit works in general.
Someone will come along though and give deets.
Edit: Wanted to add in I think people also say you should still be safe and practice precaution until we do have the data. But hanging out with him after heās at 95% seems totally fine. He just shouldnāt be like going to concerts and shit without a mask which he canāt anyways so moot point.
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From June to November 2020, almost 21,000 healthcare workers across the UK were regularly tested to see whether they:
- currently had the coronavirus
- had had it previously
Of those who had no antibodies to the virus, suggesting they may have never had it, 318 developed potential new infections within this timeframe.
But among the 6,614 with antibodies, this figure was just 44 potential new infections.
Iām pretty sure you arenāt totally immune right after you get the vaccine. Takes time.
The risk of hanging out with him seems very likely to be hugely reduced once heās fully vaccinated.
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Ok Iāll trust this group if thatās the consensusā¦
the childcare isnāt free. itās already paid-for.
Nothing wrong with being cautious, but I believe vaccines generally work by teaching your body to eliminate the virus before it can reproduce enough and overwhelm your system. So someone whoās effectively been vaccinated shouldnāt even be carrying the viral load to shed - let alone doing the coughing/sneezing/dripping necessary to do so most efficiently.
This is essentially how it works with all existing vaccines, and the reason we donāt need 100% vaccination to reach herd immunity. Scientists have just been uber-cautious definitively saying so re: COVID because a. we try not to say things without testing them explicitly and b. it would be disastrous to be wrong about it.
All my friends are nurses. If I can hang out with them safely or even semi-safely that is huge news for me. Despite having pretty bad hypertension and some other heart issues I think I am still in the lowest priority group for the vaccine rollout in CA.
I just havenāt really been seeing much out there that says itās ok (in fact the opposite) and I dont religiously follow this thread. I live alone and isolation is kind of dangerous for me.
Iāve been holed up for months and months. Just watching a football game with my friend would be a really big deal.
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I think itās important to be precise here. Everyone has a choice. But āweā donāt have a choice. A strict lockdown would be great, but the people with the power to institute a strict lockdown by and large wonāt choose to do that. They should, but they wonāt.
My mom is a nurse and has received the vaccine and is already asking when she can come visit. Iām personally ok with it because I think the likelihood of her carrying the virus is pretty low. I think this has been discussed earlier in this thread and that was the general consensus.
My wife thinks after vaccine you can still spread it and has sent me links to articles saying no one knows if you are able to spread or not after receiving the vaccine.
Basically scientists arenāt going to tell you its safe until they have the undeniable data to show that. This causes media outlets to clickbait shit about still spreading the virus.
But everyone knowledgeable about this stuff says its extremely unlikely people vaccinated still spread the virus much at all. They just donāt say it in an official capacity.
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Are you guys asking/discussing/answering if a vaccinated person can spread the virus before they attain full immunity or after?
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Well, it worked on me. I am cautiously excited. I might even be able to host a superbowl party again this year!
Like, the vaccine becomes almost irrelevant for me if this is true. Because the only people I can even come in contact with will be vaccinated and I never leave the house except to go for walks.
Thanks guys - Iāll do some more research
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After
After of course lol, which IIRC is a week or so after the 2nd shot.
Didnāt we just (as in, two weeks ago) pass a $900bn COVID relief bill? How much support is needed here before we can make some kind of effort to rein in the virus?
I donāt think the conspiracy gloss is especially helpful here. Many parents with kids want their kids in school because they think itās whatās best for their kids. Thatās a very normal and healthy reaction. Itās even more normal and healthy for vulnerable populations not to want to die unpleasantly or for healthcare workers not to be trapped in a perpetual abattoir. In a functioning political system, that would be the debate that would be hashed outāwho sacrifices, how much, under what terms, towards what ends, for how long? Then the political leaders would lead people towards successfully executing on that plan. Without that kind of collective action, itās pretty inevitable that almost everyone is going to give up on pro-social behavior and do what they feel they need to do. Itās not, in any way, noble, but you donāt need insidious forces to explain people not wanting to make sacrifices in a losing fight. Most people arenāt heroes.
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