Coffee Talk (and Tea)

Yeah it’s is a mess. I checked HB wrt your question about light roasters. Dunno if you’re familiar with Tim Wendelboe but I’ve heard people talk about him as a best-in-class Nordic roast if you’re looking to go that light. This is from Norway which is why I never looked into it, but apparently the int’l shipping isn’t a big deal.

I also found this recent thread where multiple people recommend both Happy Mug ¶ and Black & White (NC) which are the two roasters I order the most coffee from. HM is the best value that I’m aware of in specialty coffee. I get the Special Mug single origins which are $11 / 12 oz with $3 shipping or free at $35, but there are some good options for $9 / 12 oz. They also have quality loose teas which are nice add-ons if you need an extra $2 to get the free ship. B&W has a more exotic selection including affordable geshas from time to time with average price around $20 / 12 oz and free shipping at $25. These work better for me being in eastern time zone, but west coast or int’l people may prefer something closer.

Didn’t intend to spend part of my afternoon improving alignment but that’s exactly what I did. I was able to get down to one single layer of aluminum foil in one location after examining wipe patterns of each screw / machine orientation. It’s probably better long term this way with lower risk of warping the burr. Made a little castle with the powder.

I noticed that one layer of foil changed the touch point by one to two micro adjustment levels. I started at 1F and with two layers the chirp jumped up to 1J, then down to 1H at one layer. This is “heavy duty” aluminum foil for which I dunno the exact thickness but it’s obviously super thin–probably around 0.024 mm according to Google. Those are insane tolerances, and the level of precision does not scale nicely with what we are trying to accomplish here. However, I think the Vario can probably just be aligned by shimming and doesn’t necessarily require the grind chamber rebuild.

FYI I’m not actually a buyer of this theory that you should be pouring the hottest possible water all of the time. I’ve experimented enough now with side-by-side brews over the past few months that I am quite confident in my assessment. Note: my observations are regarding light to medium roast single origins. Currently drinking this:

https://www.blackwhiteroasters.com/collections/frontpage/products/el-eden-pacamara-1

With this coffee, boiling water at any ratio / technique I tried was just awful–a mess of a flavor profile that was overly complex and extracted. At 205 it tastes like an entirely different coffee. The bad flavors are gone and it has round, juicy acidity of red apple and berries. Extremely balanced and crystal clear. I’m having it right now and it’s in the Action Bronson Fuck That’s Delicious zone.

So what is happening here? The theory that hotter water increases extraction must be true. However, I believe the mistake people are making is in assuming that extraction-related factors are equal. You’ll often see advice like “alter your extraction through grind size and keep the temperature the same.” I think that’s a good starting point but insufficient for specialty coffee. We already know that temperature affects extraction in ways that exceed the extraction yield numbers (EY%). For example, cold brew coffee’s defining characteristic compared to what I normally drink is low acidity, yet the EY% can be just as high as hot brew. People have noticed a similar effect for darker roasts, often opting for brew temperatures from 180 F to 195 F.

Tea might be a better known analog demonstrating this effect. Most black teas are brewed near boiling, yet green teas brewed above 175 F with the same contact time tend to release tannins that are disgustingly bitter. However, I’ve seen some green teas with a max recommendation of 160 F as well as ones that were brewed boiling (albeit with short contact), so the answer is probably “it depends.”

That’s the principle I’ve been applying to all specialty coffee recently, i.e., assuming that each bean/roast has its own optimal brewing temperature (holding other factors constant). Every roasted bean has a unique chemical composition with compounds that extract asymmetrically, and our job is to figure out how to exploit that to manipulate the in-cup profile. Increasing contact time is one way to increase extraction, but it seems to increase differently–at least partially–from temperature. Obviously this is bad news on the “coffee is easy and makes sense” front.

Q: This is getting too complicated. What temperature water should I be using?

A: For now, my default is to start with the hottest water possible then adjust. I’m leveraging the property that hotter water has higher extraction potential. Some coffees do best at these high temperatures, so limiting extraction potential seems like a bad starting point. An ancillary benefit of hotter water is that it has lower viscosity which seems good for percolation since we want the water to pass through the bed evenly and efficiently. And finally, it’s much easier to control your water temp this way if you aren’t using a temp-controlled kettle system.

Man, cold brew coffee has been so much better for my stomach.

Also great during the summer weather.

Been making what I call “Vietnamese-style” coffee. I don’t call it Vietnamese coffee because I don’t use a phin filter and I cold brew it rather than pouring the coffee itself over ice. Instead, I fill my french press with filtered water and the ground up beans, let it sit in my fridge for around 12 hours, use the french press and then pour/filter it again in an aeropress before mixing with sweetened, condensed milk. The only robusta beans I can find are ground and they grind it too fine. Unless I filter with the aeropress afterwards, I end up with a way too dirty cup of coffee.

Since I’m out of robusta coffee, I’m gonna cold brew some regular arabica beans overnight (got some single-origin stuff from Indonesia) and give that a go tomorrow morning.

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at least a few of the vids from this channel are in Czechia. Maybe something worth checking out

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I find these regional brewing techniques interesting. Have you ever tried Turkish? I’ve been mostly locked into one style of pour-over percolation brewing but was considering branching out since I have a grinder that might be capable. I think @zarapochka shared a Turkish setup earlier in the thread. If she is still around I wonder what her approach is because I noticed researching it that not everyone agrees exactly on the technique.

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Last time I had Turkish coffee was years ago.

This site is an interesting resource that indexes different brewing techniques:

https://brewmethods.com/

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Ibrik or cezve is the name of the pot with a long handle for brewing Turkish coffee. In Russia it’s called turka.

Story checks out.

That’s exactly what the experts said for traditional Turkish method. I also discovered some different approaches of doing it twice or only once and varying the point at which the coffee goes in. My goal would be to try it with single origin specialty coffees in a similar vein to “modern” espresso.

Edit: Scratch that original video I posted. THIS guy knows what’s up with Turkish. I’m impressed by him knowing all of the variables that matter down to the cup choice.

Here is the part that’s a bit tricky for perfecting this technique at home. Turkish grind is usually considered to be finer than espresso and, well, good luck with that. There are inexpensive hand grinders made specifically for this purpose, but I can’t imagine hand grinding that fine with a cheap device. In the video, he uses a Comandante C40 which might not be so bad given its immaculate build quality and the fact that it’s only 7g of coffee. However, it’s a $299 device.

The other aspect is Turkish experts claimed that almost every good Turkish cafe doing traditional method uses Brazil Santos. My thoughts are that the cupping quality will vary wildly based on farm and roast, so it isn’t really saying much. The takeaway is probably that Brazilian coffees tend to be nuttier with chocolate compared to surrounding countries that produce fruity coffees.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but you don’t strike me as the type of person who would spend €248 on a manual coffee grinder.

Ground coffee stales soooo quickly though that you must be losing most of the good stuff, and if the roast is anything past medium then the oils will begin to turn rancid in just several weeks. If you haven’t tried freshly-ground, high-quality coffee then you are really missing what coffee has to offer. Maybe I can ship you some samples of various coffees ground for Turkish when I get my vacuum sealer?

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I’m a big fan of turkish coffee.

One of the best places to play poker is the Merritt hotel in Northern Cyprus (the turkish part). It’s an all inclusive hotel that also has some of the juiciest cash games and tournaments you can imagine.

But my favorite part is the turkish coffee stand in the casino where they brew the coffee on hot sand.

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I love how every country in the Balkans basically took Turkish coffee and went, “Fuck you Ottoman Empire! It’s now Greek/Bosnian/Serbian/etc coffee!”

Seems like a subtle shot at their former rulers.

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I’m going to need to order more v60 filters soon, I’ve been using the hario brand unbleached filters, I am guessing someone out there has done testing of 200 different filter types?

The cold brew I made with arabica beans smelled kinda funky and tasted weak. Wondering if I should have ground it a bit more and used more coffee than I would with a regular cup to offset the weakness.

I mean it won’t make that much of a difference. My robusta blend should be coming in tomorrow or the day after and that makes for better iced coffee imo.

Lol do you really wanna know?

Short answer: Always used bleached. They are all oxygen bleached now and don’t use chlorine while the unbleached affect flavor.

The faster original untabbed Harios that come in 40 ct are the ones that almost everyone prefers compared to the more recent tabbed version that clogs easily. Even the old ones clog if you agitate too much and it’s super annoying trying to remove that variable from brewing.

I order a bunch at a time from Prima Coffee because I know they are authentic and fairly cheap. I ordered from Scamazon once and they looked damaged / possibly fake. There are surely other sources but I haven’t checked.

$4.50 / 40

Other options

Cafec - I’ve only tried the Abaca which are ok but the ones I’ll recommend are the T-90 Medium Dark Roast for reasons I’ll articulate in a later post. I tried to buy these once but the shipping was stupid or something. Maybe someone else has a decent price on it.

$11 / 100

Kono - I’ve read that these are older than Hario and very good but maybe trickier to get outside of Japan. The 4-person is equivalent to V60 02. There’s also a “silky” version which, afaict, reduces flow rate which isn’t what I’m looking for.

$2 / 40 from Kurasa Kyoto but shipping is $23 to me.

Sibarist - Super expensive and I haven’t tried them. They use the construction design I’m looking for in a paper though.

$39 / 100

If you order anything from Prima, I think their free ship doesn’t kick in until $49 which is fairly high. I usually end up buying more gear than filters though based on current needs. They are in Louisville so consider that if shipping time is important. Also check out this place in Canada that carries everything I recommended with USA free shipping at $39.

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Is that what Heart coffee tastes like?